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AresFaithfull · Mar 20, 2019

So the BIOS updates for the Ryzen 3000 Series 'Valhalla' have been released and so have most of the specs for the new chips. Do you think AMD has finally caught up to Intel and matched them or will team BLUE be releasing something to blow us away soon.

AMD Ryzen 3000 CPUs Get BIOS Support on X370 & X470 Motherboards

Ryzen 3000 chips will pack a punch, and could be launched as early as July

EliteOp · Mar 20, 2019

I don't know.
I always await reviews from multiple sources after the products are released to the general public, (not these "preview units") before I make an informative rather than a speculative decision.

AresFaithfull · Mar 20, 2019

EliteOp said:
I don't know.
I always await reviews from multiple sources after the products are released to the general public, (not these "preview units") before I make an informative rather than a speculative decision.

Yeah AMD haven't specified if their 5Ghz CPU's are 5Ghz on all cores yet where intel are currently doing that already, but do you think Intel has a surprise for AMD come July?

Ner0 · Mar 20, 2019

if the 3600x or 3700 out performs my 9700k in single thread i still wont change back to ryzen, Had 3 ryzen systems in the past first gen and + both really good but in games i could not see a difference even with my 9700k now on 5ghz i dont really notice anything moving from a 2700x maybe others can tell the diff but i cant

AresFaithfull · Mar 20, 2019

Nerozki said:
if the 3600x or 3700 out performs my 9700k in single thread i still wont change back to ryzen, Had 3 ryzen systems in the past first gen and + both really good but in games i could not see a difference even with my 9700k now on 5ghz i dont really notice anything moving from a 2700x maybe others can tell the diff but i cant

It has always been Intel's advantage that their higher clock speeds improve FPS somewhat I am surprised that you say you don't notice much of a difference

Ner0 · Mar 20, 2019

AresFaithfull said:
It has always been Intel's advantage that their higher clock speeds improve FPS somewhat I am surprised that you say you don't notice much of a difference

forgot to mention i play on 1440p, so more gpu bound than cpu bound every one is slowly moving to 1440p id say so why waste money on a cpu if it will give the same performance on games there might be like a 5fps to 12fps difference in lows and highs.

If you have first gen ryzen and you get a 23% or more IPC increase on valhalla then sure i guess it will help in 1080p but how much in 1440P?

SCHUMI4EVER · Mar 20, 2019

Nerozki said:
forgot to mention i play on 1440p, so more gpu bound than cpu bound every one is slowly moving to 1440p id say so why waste money on a cpu if it will give the same performance on games there might be like a 5fps to 12fps difference in lows and highs.

If you have first gen ryzen and you get a 23% or more IPC increase on valhalla then sure i guess it will help in 1080p but how much in 1440P?

There's always tomorrow.

durimotara · Mar 20, 2019

Nerozki said:
if the 3600x or 3700 out performs my 9700k in single thread i still wont change back to ryzen, Had 3 ryzen systems in the past first gen and + both really good but in games i could not see a difference even with my 9700k now on 5ghz i dont really notice anything moving from a 2700x maybe others can tell the diff but i cant

Did you make the change back to Intel because you thought you would see a difference? Im waiting on ryzen 3000 to upgrade. Its time to retire the 4790 but i will await reviews before doing anything.

Ner0 · Mar 20, 2019

durimotara said:
Did you make the change back to Intel because you thought you would see a difference? Im waiting on ryzen 3000 to upgrade. Its time to retire the 4790 but i will await reviews before doing anything.

noo i changed because i was not comfortable with amd, my first was

1800x and x370 taichi ( i had ram issues and oc issues)lost faith and moved to intel again
1700 and X370 asus hero vi( ram could not pass over 2800mhz again i quit amd) it was more stable than the previous ryzen
last was 2700X and X470 taichi no issues overclocked well to 4.3ghz and ram to 3000mhz

I changed my pc alot the past year or, so moved back and forth ultimately ending up with an intel lappy sold that and went with the latest I7 and z390 my OC is stable my Ram runs well past 3200mhz so i dont see the need to change again back to AMD, I honestly cant say how the 4790 will perform against 8700k,9700k had a 4790 years ago. but why would you upgrade if your cpu does not bottleneck your GPU and you have a 1440p monitor? I dont know if the 4790 bottlenecks a gtx 1080 maybe in a game or 2, but then i would rather just buy a secondhand 8600k and Z370 for alot cheaper i believe then what the new Zen will cost, i paid more for my ryzen 2700x than my 9700k so how does amd beat intel in value?it has 8 more threads?

I am no fan boy of either to be clear if anything else launches thats better in the future then i will still move from intel

AresFaithfull · Mar 20, 2019

Nerozki said:
i paid more for my ryzen 2700x than my 9700k so how does amd beat intel in value?it has 8 more threads?

How TF did that happen? the 9700k is nearly R1000 more xD

So my issue right now with ryzen is this system i got was a trade on carb and it came with 1x 16GB 2400mhz stick i am in the process of changing that to be dual channel 16GB and i can only imagine my performance will increase. But would the Ryzen 3700X be a worth while upgrade if Intel decides to jump out with something in a smaller die maybe a 10nm or 7nm

durimotara · Mar 20, 2019

Ah i see you suffered the growing pains of Ryzen. From what Ive heard recently, it has since become quite stable. I game at 1440p 144hz and i think my 4790 will start hindering me from hitting the 100+ fps mark i would like to be in. I have noticed some games hammer my 4790 such as AC Origins and Odyssey and think its time to finally go to a higher core count as well as core clock.

Ner0 · Mar 20, 2019

AresFaithfull said:
How TF did that happen? the 9700k is nearly R1000 more xD

So my issue right now with ryzen is this system i got was a trade on carb and it came with 1x 16GB 2400mhz stick i am in the process of changing that to be dual channel 16GB and i can only imagine my performance will increase. But would the Ryzen 3700X be a worth while upgrade if Intel decides to jump out with something in a smaller die maybe a 10nm or 7nm

performance will definitely increase(dual channel vs single channel) but you would need to up your ram speed at least above 2666mhz, keep your rigg as is upgrade you ram and wait for zen 2 if its alot better then just pop it into your X370 your mobo, its a great overclocking mobo. Dont switch to intel should they launch anything new thats barely faster then the 9th gen. but points is i dont see the need to upgrade from a 1800X to anything else if you dont have stability issues with OC

Ner0 · Mar 20, 2019

durimotara said:
Ah i see you suffered the growing pains of Ryzen. From what Ive heard recently, it has since become quite stable. I game at 1440p 144hz and i think my 4790 will start hindering me from hitting the 100+ fps mark i would like to be in. I have noticed some games hammer my 4790 such as AC Origins and Odyssey and think its time to finally go to a higher core count as well as core clock.

Yes origins and odyssey is cpu heavy my 9700k tops around 75C while playing that game so yeah shit optimized, like i said get a second hand 8600k or perhaps 9600k

AresFaithfull · Mar 20, 2019

Nerozki said:
keep your rigg as is upgrade you ram and wait for zen 2

Yeah so i just talked myself into buying some corsair dom plat rgb 3200 as it says it's AMD optimised like the G.Skill for AMD

Mate is bringing it over from Aus so its a lil bit cheaper. Otherwise i wait for the 3700X i guess

R3aL1Ty · Mar 20, 2019

Reading this makes me sad.

I still toss around with the idea of upgrading my first gen i7

and it still just seems to do perfectly...

Although to be honest, i don't want to imagine the bottleneck on the RX580 in my rig

this though looks like it might make me jump... Been keeping my eyes on the AMD stuff for a while and every now and again i get more and more tempted.

AresFaithfull · Mar 20, 2019

R3aL1Ty said:
Reading this makes me sad.

I still toss around with the idea of upgrading my first gen i7 and it still just seems to do perfectly...

Although to be honest, i don't want to imagine the bottleneck on the RX580 in my rig

this though looks like it might make me jump... Been keeping my eyes on the AMD stuff for a while and every now and again i get more and more tempted.

I haven't had any issues with AMD and with my Ryuo cooler now it makes the over clocking much easier. The BIOS updates have improved stability so much, as said before my only issue is my single channel memory.

The ryzen and RX580 will operate quite nicely with each other to my understanding and this new Ryzen 3000 series will be a game changer i think while being able to get B350, X370, B450, X470, B550, X570 boards to work with them.

arf · Mar 21, 2019

Yep can't wait for the 3000 series, gonna be a nice upgrade from my 1600, if those close speeds are correct for the 3600x. 4.8ghz boost on all cores will be very lekker, and fact i can just chuck it in my b350 tomahawk is amazing, save a fat chunk of cash and hassle of re-doing my entire PC.

Doom5003 · Mar 21, 2019

Also awaiting those 3600x and 3700x reviews. A lot of speculations and "leaks". My 6600K needs to be replaced.
Have been with Intel for the last, I don't know how many, years. Time to go back to AMD and give them a go. The wait has been long overdue.
And then there's Navi, not expecting this years releases to be better than my 1080 or not by much but hoping on next year cause my 1080 also needs to go.

VPII · Mar 21, 2019

Okay..... I'll share my view, or opinion here.

I've always been an AMD cpu fan for many years going as far as the 1090T and 1100T 6 core cpu, but after they fell by the way side with Bulldozer and so forth I decided to try Intel. Back then it was a 2600K and I was happy. From the 2600K I went all the way to an Intel Core i7 3930K which I took up to 5.3ghz under Dry Ice. When Ryzen first landed I did not really follow the scene. Between work and everything else I could not be bothered. It took me 8 to 9 months and a second dead 3930K to realise how good the new Ryzen processors really are. So I went out and got a Ryzen 1700, not the X just the normal 1700. Now I can understand that back in January 2018 sitting with a Ryzen 1700 vs my old 3930K is not a true reflection of current taken Skylake, Kabylake and even Coffylake, but I was happy and really impressed at what I got.

Go 3 or 4 months on from January 2018 and I got the Ryzen 2700X and I was happy. Finally got some LN2 going with this chip up to 5.6Ghz. Performance is amazing. I personally do not get stuck at IPC as it is so dependent on mhz or ghz that it really does not make much sense. When I game at 1440P I do not notice the difference between 89fps and 95fps with my eyes. Yes I may be 42, but my eyes are still functioning as normal.

Final comment, do me a favour and go and look on Hwbot submissions with Ryzen 2700X running Cinebench 15R check the highest result which was at 5.737ghz now go and filter the same with a 9900K running 5.8ghz just to play it fair and look at the highest result. The problem we face is the support for AMD has fallen by the way side over the past couple of years and would take time to get back as AMD improve. Taken my above comment, now go and compare the physics scores in 3dmark between the two processors and see how it clearly favours Intel, not deliberately but because for years there was not really anything else.

The bottom line is, I am happy AMD is back and I hope they whipe the floor with Intel in a generation or two when 3D Stacked processors are released. Frankly we need it as a monopoly is never any good for the consumers.

Doom5003 · Mar 21, 2019

VPII said:
The bottom line is, I am happy AMD is back and I hope they whipe the floor with Intel in a generation or two when 3D Stacked processors are released. Frankly we need it as a monopoly is never any good for the consumers.

Couldn't agree more

MSI1104 · Mar 27, 2019

Shit I totally forgot I have a Ryzen system. Sold my 6950x and bought it. Gaming, wise I, see no difference... Newer tech on motherboard is greatly appreciated.. Ie proper USB 3 etc.

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nagapie · Mar 27, 2019

Mast3rBlast3r said:
There's always tomorrow.

And next year

Stefan9 · Mar 27, 2019

Personally planning to upgrade from my Intel 7700k to ryzen 3000 when it drops.

If all rumours are correct ryzen 3000 will offer fantastic value.

All indications are that Intel will only offer something new for the desktop in 2020.

WiZard · Mar 27, 2019

VPII said:
The bottom line is, I am happy AMD is back and I hope they whipe the floor with Intel in a generation or two ...

Unfortunately we have been waiting and hoping for literally decades now...

Valheru · Mar 27, 2019

Stefan9 said:
If all rumours are correct ryzen 3000 will offer fantastic value.

All of us are waiting with great anticipation for June.

Stefan9 said:
All indications are that Intel will only offer something new for the desktop in 2020.

Allegedly, there are some miles left in 14nm. We are getting a 10 core on mainstream platform. So game on, consumer wins.

VPII · Mar 28, 2019

Valheru said:
All of us are waiting with great anticipation for June.

Allegedly, there are some miles left in 14nm. We are getting a 10 core on mainstream platform. So game on, consumer wins.

And what if the word going around of the 12 and 16 core Ryzen for mainstream is true. If so then the 10 core will not really bode well with what the other party bring to the braai.

Valheru · Mar 28, 2019

VPII said:
And what if the word going around of the 12 and 16 core Ryzen for mainstream is true. If so then the 10 core will not really bode well with what the other party bring to the braai.

I'll jump to team, red no problem. And I am not alone in that feeling I am sure. Exciting times

AresFaithfull · Mar 29, 2019

Update to new rumors of AMD's Navi GPU's are going to support Ray tracing and actually be able to out perform team Green's RTX line-up.

AMD Navi 20 For High-End Radeon RX GPUs To Feature Ray Tracing

I think AMD is really giving it their all.

Will team Red be able to stand on the same level as team Green and Blue and dare i say start surpassing them.

AresFaithfull · Mar 29, 2019

WiZard said:
Unfortunately we have been waiting and hoping for literally decades now...

Good things come to those who wait xD and AMD have done what they couldn't do in decades in a few years.

Roobir · Apr 14, 2019

Any fresh news about the new Ryzen setup?

Depending on the performance, I might move to Ryzen. Still licking my wounds from the FX-8350 from years ago.

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