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[For Sale] Custom furniture, woodwork, etc., made to order

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  4. Johannesburg
  5. Krugersdorp
  6. Modimolle
  7. Polokwane
  8. Pretoria
  9. Thabazimbi
  10. Vereeniging
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  2. Limpopo
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Sure. Not all is according to how I would have preferred to do it, but it's how the customers wanted it. There's more, but I can't find pics now:

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This first desk is essentially exactly what I need. I haven't been able to find anything nice online so I figured I'd check Carbonite lol. Was literally the 2nd thread in Furniture.
Anyhow, how do I go about requesting a quote?
 
This first desk is essentially exactly what I need. I haven't been able to find anything nice online so I figured I'd check Carbonite lol. Was literally the 2nd thread in Furniture.
Anyhow, how do I go about requesting a quote?
Quoting is easy. It's getting it to you in CPT that's a problem. I guess I can flatpack and courier?
 
What size desks and people requesting, if any? I'm looking at making a desk, but buying a saligna table top. It's either 600 deep which is too narrow in my view, or it's 800mm. Then the length is another story.
What seems to be a common/reasonable size to look at.?
 
I'd recommend measuring a desk you like, to be honest. The most common size I get requested is 1.6m, but for you that might be too big, or it might be not big enough. I've done all the way from 600mm to 2.6m desks though, it really just depends on what people want, where it needs to go and what they want to stack on it.

Oh yes, and don't get my started on heights... :p
 
Oh yes, and don't get my started on heights... :p
I made a custom 2.4m pine desk a while back with a height of about 67cm, it's not quite on my knees but close so I can sit comfortably with my arms relaxed while typing. I found most desks available at Makro etc were too tall for me.
 
Yeah 67cm is pretty low. "Common" heights are between around 72cm and 78cm, but I've built them up to 1m high for different applications before, so like I said, it's personal preference all the way.
 
Sorry, this is going to be a picture dump.

So I was contacted by a guy with a problem. He bought a set of Jamo 7.6 floorstanders from a guy from somewhere, and the guy messed them up. He used the speakers on the plinths, but without the spikes installed. If I had to guess, this led to water getting caught under the plinths and it absolutely wrecked them. I agreed to replace them for him. We worked on a budget here, so keep that in mind.

Original plinths arrived, one being severely damaged, and the other being only a tiny bit better:
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First things first. I decided to use MDF, as that's what the originals are made of and it's cheap. The original plinths were 25mm thick, and the MDF I got 16mm thick. I contemplated for a while on how to do this, and ended up just going with two sheets of MDF per plinth, making them 32mm thick overall, 7mm thicker than the originals. I figured thicker/heavier is better than thinner/lighter. So I got a piece, and traced out the only good edge left on the better one of the two plinths:
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I then grabbed the jigsaw and cut them out roughly with the jigsaw, leaving a ~5mm or so edge on the lines I drew. In hindsight, I could have made this a smaller edge, but I worked on the safe end here.
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Next up, I used a trick I learned off YouTube. I taped masking tape to the original plinth as well as one of the new rough cut pieces. I then used CA glue to glue them together, tape to tape, creating my own kind of super thing double sided tape:
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This done, I clamped down the piece and found the threaded inserts for the spikes to be in the way. I removed them. More on this a bit later:
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Then, router. On the highest speed with a flush-trim bit, bottom bearing, I used the only good edge on the plinth to recreate the exact shape on the new 16mm piece of MDF:
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And done. Perfect!
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While they were stuck together I used this opportunity to copy the drill holes from the original plinths onto the new ones. I used a small drill, running it in the middle of each hole into the new plinth:
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Once done, I split them apart with a chisel. This was a lot harder than it looked on YT, actually, the tape sticks like mad if it's flush like that:
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I then repeated this entire process once more to obtain 2 16mm copies of the plinth's shape. That was also the last time I used the originals for cutting the shapes. After having two exact plinth copies I glued the copies each to another rough cut piece, to obtain a 32mm thick plinth. I used a good quality waterproof wood glue and clamped them down. While in clamps, I turned my attention to the threaded inserts for the speaker spikes.

It was at this time that I realized these inserts aren't steel like they usually are - these are aluminium for some stupid reason (I mean, really). Turns out that the white residue as seen above wasn't just MDF resin or whatever, it's oxidized aluminium. So elbow grease was required. On the outside of the inserts they had a thin rubber coating that turned hard, brittle and in some of them, started chipping off. I removed this completely. I then used a small blade and scraped as much of the oxidized aluminium off them as I could. I couldn't get it all, so in the end to clean them up I dropped them in some sodium percabonate. It's a very cool, safe cleaner and it cleaned them up very well, removing oils and gunk and all kinds of crap:
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After all this, the glue on the plinths have dried to the point where I could start working with them. I used the router again, running the flush trim bit on the copied side to cut the rough cut side to the same size. It worked beautifully.
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Next, sealing. Considering we were working on a budget I didn't want to spend too much money, so I used the wood glue and water mix. I painted each plinth twice, making sure to get good soak on the edges. I then let them sit overnight to cure:
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Next day the wood glue was nice and hard, and it was time for drilling and sanding. I measured the holes in the original plinths and on the holes used to mount them to the speakers I worked in the extra 7mm and extended the countersink on those holes to the extra depth to ensure the screws still grab the same depth. It worked perfectly:
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Then it was time for sanding. MDF being fairly smooth already, I didn't go through many grits and just did a quick 120, followed by a 180 grit sand. The edges took quite a bit of sanding, and here I realized I probably should have spent a bit more time on the edges. It would have taken more time and money though and the budget was kept in mind, so I left it as is.
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After the light sanding, it was time for a base coat. I used some acrylic resin spray paint I had here as the base layer. It creates a film-like surface and I figured it would hide most imperfections in the MDF, specially on the edges. It worked to some extent:
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After letting this paint dry, I took to the plinths with the black. I used rattlecans I had around the house, and I firmly believe if you do your homework a rattlecan can provide a very very professional finish. I did two layers of black, followed by a very light hand sanding with 360 grit sandpaper to flatten the surface before applying the final coat of black. With the sanding I also installed the now-cleaned threaded inserts for the spikes. I sanded some of them to get the last oxide layer off, and also sprayed them black with the final black layer:
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Finally, after letting the black paint cure for a few hours, I gave it two thin, but thorough coats of clear lacquer, matte, for protection. Once done, the finish was superb, in my opinion, better than the original, and seemingly harder wearing as well:
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And some more pictures. Here's the before plinths:
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And the after plinths:
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Client picked them up and installed them, and he seems happy. He sent me some pictures as well of them installed:
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Read through a couple pages here and really like the workmanship. I'd be interested my self for something to house a UPS ( currently it's standing on a box under my desk ), help with cable management and store a couple bits and bobs.

Think the biggest issue will be shipping as I live all the way in the eastern cape. But I'll hit you up anyway @Toxxyc. Once I've actually figured out exactly what would suit my needs.
 
It's been a while with no updates, but I am busy. The rain and load shedding isn't making my life on these projects easy, but I press on! I want to share an "in progress" pic of one of my latest builds. It's a patio table made from reclaimed railway sleepers, cut into planks. Customer sent me a picture of the planks in his garage/storage room and said he wanted a table. That's it. The rest was left up to me.

I built some slightly more modern U-shaped legs for the table, tapering inward down at the bottom, and built an admittedly oversized frame to support the top. The frame was initially a machine grey, but I then resprayed it to a satin black because of how the wood turned out to look. I figured it would look better, and it does, a million times over.

I spent the past weekend fitting and sanding the top, which included an epoxy pour in the cracks and gaps in the wood just to make the individual planks "one piece". They're not joined together in any other way, because of the wood used and the look I went for, as well as the fact that it's different thicknesses and they had some issues in consistency. Anyway, after all was done, it was painstakingly sanded with 100 grit, 120, 150 and then 180 grit. I wasn't happy with the finish so I watered it to raise the grain, let it dry out and went back at it with the 150 and 180 again. After that, the finish was smooth as silk, and ready for the first coat of finish.

The finish I used is an exterior polywax coating, UV, stain and water resistant so it's perfect for a patio table. I just HAD to take a picture after adding the first coat, as it made the Kiaat and Yellowwood just "pop", as people say. FEAST YOUR EYES!

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And just like that, business is picking up. It's like people are getting bonuses and they want to spend them. Yay to me!
 
So pics of my latest project completed:


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Reclaimed/rescued pine top (jointing not done by me). I build the legs, drawers (soft-close, can't slam them), the monitor stand and cable tray. Came out beautiful!
 
Do you make pedestals, or would you consider making pedestals?
Like nightstands or bedside tables? I'll make them for sure. I am busy now fixing and finishing one another guy made and then I'm building another. And two desks, come to think of it.
 
Like nightstands or bedside tables? I'll make them for sure. I am busy now fixing and finishing one another guy made and then I'm building another. And two desks, come to think of it.
A beside table with drawers.
 
Sure. Send me a PM with what you're looking for and we can take it further!
 
Where does one get railway sleepers that table really does look nice, the wife and i have been looking for solid wood dining table.
 
Well if I tell you, I'd kinda be shooting myself in the leg, but I have at two sources I can think of now. One's near my office, MASSIVE sleeper selling place, but the guy is a tad more expensive. He does have various grades, lengths, and flat or rough faced boards, so that's nice.

Then I have an older gent near my house who also sells the separate boards for a bit cheaper, but his stock is limited.

But yeah, stock is around, you just have to know where to look. That table is more of a patio table, but it can definitely be used as a dining table as well. You might want to think of a different leg/base design if you want to sit at the head and foot of the table, but that's a thing to discuss in more detail when it comes to quoting.
 
Sadly in CPT, i suppose if its only the top it would be easier to courier down? Have you ever done epoxy over the top to give it a completely smooth finish?
 
I haven't, no, but I'm familiar with the process and confident I can get it done. Tabletop epoxy is fairly common here.

I also have to note that the woods in these sleepers are typically kiaat or yellowwood. Both of these are hardwoods and finish quite smooth. Perfectly flat is a different story, but that can be done once the top is basically finished, with a planer at a large workshop. All things to discuss on WhatsApp though :D
 
I haven't, no, but I'm familiar with the process and confident I can get it done. Tabletop epoxy is fairly common here.

I also have to note that the woods in these sleepers are typically kiaat or yellowwood. Both of these are hardwoods and finish quite smooth. Perfectly flat is a different story, but that can be done once the top is basically finished, with a planer at a large workshop. All things to discuss on WhatsApp though :D
Yellowwood haven't been used in yonks as sleepers (early railway lines in SA it was, but I think chances of finding steady supply of yellowwood in sleeper form today are slim). If your supplier indeed has good Yellowwood sleepers please let me know as I love Yellowwood.

A Kiaat ("African Teak") sleeper is also not typical as far as I know (I've never come across a Kiaat sleeper) - It could however be confused with Rhodesian Teak which, I suppose to some, look slightly similar (but they are not the same). Your table build you posted looks like it was from Rhodesian Teak sleepers.

The majority of sleepers in the wild in SA are Ironwood or Rhodesian Teak.

Ironwood is a bitch to work with and it will wreak havoc on your blades/machines if you are not geared up properly process this lumber ( I refused to work with Ironwood in my previous factory and referred it to an outside contact for machining). I was willing to work with dimensioned and processed Ironwood - but raw Ironwood sleepers was a no-no.

Panga Panga or "Patryshout" was also popular at some point. Due to it's current scarcity and subsequent high value, the chances of finding Panga Panga Sleepers are also quite rare.

Just trying to share some of the insights I have learnt over my years of working with wood (not trying to derail the thread or "stir the pot").
 
That table I built, the sleeper guy said they were 3 Kiaat sleeper planks, and one Yellowwood. If I do find Yellowwood, I'll also buy them up, because it's a dream to work with. It's a hard wood and acts like a hard wood but it machines quite smooth and I love it.

You'll notice on that table, from this picture: https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?t...d-other-surfaces-or-racks.385487/post-2978094

The second board in that array is Yellowwood. It's possible the rest is Rhodesian Teak, but I had two woodworker guys tell me it's Kiaat, so IDK. I was also worried about ironwood because nobody wants to touch it as well :D
 
Hey guys,

So a week or two back a member and I got to talking, and he mentioned he wants a custom stand for his PC next to his desk (won't mention names here). We spoke about specifics and I said I'll make him a stand, for a certain price. We agreed and I got around to making the frame (only have to fit the top now).

His requirement was "strong, sturdy, stable, and secure enough to hold a 15kg PC". The result, if you ask me, will hold 10 times that, easy. I overshot the design a bit, and made it way stronger than it needs to be, using steel for the frame and laminated (and varnished) pine for the top. This thing will outlast his PC 10 to 1, if you ask me.

Then, talking about this to a few guys offline, there seem to be a gap in the market for this sort of thing. I learned A LOT about building these from this first attempt, and I'm sure I'll be able to do future builds for cheaper as well (first run is always expensive). People seem to want solid desks and stands for their goods, doesn't have to be gaming related either.

That got me thinking - would there be a market for these sort of things? Keep in mind I'm very far from a professional welder and builder, but I can at least put a stick to two piece of steel and they don't come loose easily when I'm done. So if there's a market, I would like to start building these things for you guys. In theory, at least, there should not be a limit to the size, shape (unless it's round), height, colour, etc. I can do.

So the question: Who would be interested in such a custom desk? Keeping in mind cost will be higher than what you pay for a DIY assembly stand from Game, but it's also significantly more solid. Perhaps a side income for me, I wouldn't mind at all.
would def be interested in something like this
 
So pics of my latest project completed:


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Reclaimed/rescued pine top (jointing not done by me). I build the legs, drawers (soft-close, can't slam them), the monitor stand and cable tray. Came out beautiful!
damn this looks good!!
 
Alright guys, I don't REALLY want to do it this way, but I think I'll have to. I'm going to give a rough estimate of what I quote for tables and desks. Every single quote will be unique though and it's not as simple as this, but it'll give you a rough idea. I'm not talking down to anyone, but I still have people who are asking me to build a 2m long, 1m wide desk for R2,000, and I'll be honest, for that money I can't even buy the materials to make it, let alone spend 15 to 20 hours to build it.

So, a general office desk or patio table, using steel legs without a big frame under it (but perhaps some support), with a solid pine top, runs around R3,000 per meter. Doing the same but with a different hardwood top like Kiaat or something like that is HIGHLY dependent on the quote values, but you are looking at closer to R5,000 per meter then. This is not only because hardwoods are much, MUCH more expensive (often 5 to 8 times the price of pine), but also it takes a lot more time to work with. It's harder, you spend twice the time sanding it over pine, it uses way more sandpaper, blunts the blades on all your tools significantly faster, etc. etc.

Again, these prices aren't set in stone, but it gives you an idea. Want a 2m long patio table with a Kiaat top? I'll have to calculate an exact quote for you, but ballpark R10k is what you're looking at. Want a 1m long coffee table for the living room with a pine top? Around R3k.

If these numbers don't match your budget, then I probably won't be able to help you.
 
I did custom woodwork for many years (my path has changed direction over the last 4 years and I now just dot it for the love of the craft). I just wanted to let you know that I agree with this post 1000%.

There is an unrealistic expectation out there that just because there is one person making a product from planning to execution and delivery - that the product will be cheaper due to less overhead, middlemen etc. etc. etc. It couldn't be further from reality.

There is a reason typical commercial products in store are batch produced by the hundreds of thousands to millions... Big bulk brings the material cost down and it increases the rate at which production occurs, thus bringing down manufacturing times. Because the overheads are massive (design, tooling, fabrication setups etc) these products HAVE to be churned out by the boatload in order to make any sort of profit.

Mass production yields "affordable" products (before all the middlemen and retailers add their markups). But the product is cookie cutter and every Tom Dick and Harry has the exact same product. The quality of materials is often sub-par to keep costs low and the actual quality of manufacturing is of such a nature "planned obsolescence" has become the norm. I know a lot of people who will buy a product from retailers, with the knowledge and expectation that it will have to be replaced in 3-5 years because at that point it will fall apart.

If you come across a decent artisan who can make you a custom piece for more or less the same price that retailers sell them for, you would be silly not to support him/her. Not only will you end up with a unique piece, but you will likely only have to buy it once in a lifetime (better materials, proper construction and finishing). With solid wood products it's even more awesome - I have a lot of pieces in my house that are 100+ years old that look and function 100% and with a little effort old/damaged/worn/neglected pieces can be restored to near perfect condition.

Generally, custom pieces take longer to manufacture because each job is unique and there isn't an army of robots/production lines. Material costs are higher due to lower volumes and better quality. Because of this, custom pieces tend to be in the same ballpark price range as commercial items (my products where between 40%-80% more expensive than it's retail counterparts).

If I can choose between buying a product off the shelf or from an artisan, I will choose the artisan all the way even if it costs a little more. Also knowing that I am directly contributing to the person I am buying it from and not some faceless nameless corporation - makes me warm and fuzzy.

Support @Toxxyc it's the right thing to do!
 
Thanks for the post, mate. That's exactly it. I'm still working for quite cheap, time-wise, and to me it's not fair to quote an exact "price per hour" either. I like to post "per project" and if I do more of them, it becomes more profitable. When I do more of them, I get more adept at my work and I start to work faster, neater and better. If I quote per hour, I'll get less and less money for each project that I do, even if the quality increases and turnaround time decreases.

To me, that's not fair, it's like I'm being penalized for working well.

The flipside is also true. I'm not a fan of the "material cost times 3" model of quoting either. If I go that route, someone can easily order a bit of steelwork to be done, and then the steel would cost R200 and I'd have to quote R600 for a job that'll take me a whole day to complete, so for me it's nowhere near worth it. The other side of it, for the customer, is also true. If they want a desk with a melamine top, for example, I charge for the melamine top plus cutting and edging and whatnot, and it usually comes in around R1k. However, I can't charge R3k for that top, because there is very little to no work that I have to do on that top after that. I literally build a steel frame for it and glue or screw the top to the frame, depending on the size.

Instead, I like the charge for both effort and worth. And yes, commercial prices are an influence for me. I had a prospective client, a Carb member, who sent me pictures of a huge table the other day and he said "I can buy this for R12k at the store, so your quote won't go down with the wife". I then had to respond to him saying that yes, he can buy that at the store for R12k, but first off, that's just stained and coated pine. That much is obvious. Second, he can drive there and pick it up now. If he asks me to build it for him, my timelines at this stage for new projects are between 6 and 8 weeks, minimum. Some I get out much faster, but that's the gist of it.

People don't realize also that doing a desk isn't just weld, sand, spray and we're done. I have spent on some clients jobs literally DAYS on designing and altering designs, doing new ones from scratch, spending long times on the phone to get quotes on different materials and finishes, working on different suppliers for powdercoating, etc. etc. only to have them say at the end "I'll let you know", and you never hear from them again. That's time down the drain, literally, and that's why I posted the post above.

If you only have a R5k budget, don't come to me asking if I can build you a 2.4m long dining table that'll seat 12 people with a 40mm thick solid white oak top. It's not going to happen. Also don't ask me to draw you an idea of what I have in mind when you tell me that, because it takes a long time to do that stuff, run measurements, match those measurements against materials, run cutlist optimisers to see how I can save you R300 on a piece of steel, etc. etc. and if you end up saying "yoh that's too much" I don't get a cent for that time spent. And that's time I could have spent with someone who's already paid for a project, getting their stuff out faster. Please.

Yes, I need the work, desperately, so I often do go out of my way to make sure my clients are happy, but I also can't keep wasting so much time anymore. Time is precious, for everyone.
 
I have given the following advice to a few people in the past (some of them used it others not. The ones that followed it thank me every time I chat with them).

1. Ballpark Estimate
Start of with a ballpark estimate, like your previous post. This is a minute phone call or an email. As you gain experience you will know how long it will probable take, materials costs etc. This is a stupid rough estimate so tell your client it could vary ±20% - try and keep your estimates to the high side (err on the side of caution). this weeds out a lot of time wasters right off the bat.​

2. Site visits for measurements/consultations:
R400/hour clock starts when I arrive on site and stops when I leave. Round trips in excess of 60km additional fuel costs apply.​
3. Custom Design Work and Quote
R300 an hour. You will start to get a feel how many hours a design will take. Software fires up when payment is done and cleared. 1st and 2nd changes to original design are on the house if its minor adjustments. 3rd amendment onward gets billed. Plans belong to the customer and he can do with it what he wants. Doing this avoids situations where a customer makes you design for days on end and comes back with the "I'll get back to you" OR the customer who takes your design and quote to Frikkie down the road who undercuts you and makes it for the customer (it happens a LOT! Usually the Frikkies fuck it up though, lol!).​
Tell your client that when they accept your quote, the costs for 2 and 3 will be deducted from the final quoted price. This way you protect yourself from doing a shit ton of work without getting paid for your time.
4. Avoid deliveries
Deliveries can destroy half a day of work in a blink of an eye trust me. Wrapping, loading, driving to, unloading, unwrapping and installing takes way longer than you think. Ask your clients to collect or arrange for delivery if possible. Otherwise charge as per step 1 but the clock starts when you start your car and stops when you get back to the shop.​
The biggest kickback I always get from my advice above is always - "I will never get any clients/work if I do it that way nobody will be willing to do that". My response is that 9 out of 10 clients that fails to see the those costs are actually justifiable (especially considering it basically falls away if they accept your quote) - are not going to be the clients who give you work.

I'm telling you this advice works, push yourself to do this for a month... you will quote a lot less (which scares the crap out of people because they think if they are not quoting they are not bringing work). But you will start landing 90% of your quotes. I'd rather land 9 out of 10 quotes than landing 10 out of 100. Less quoting and designing also means more time in the shop and increased productivity.



 

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