X570 Tomahawk: The new default choice for Ryzen

[Dr Evil]

My RAM arrived today. It’s Micron E-DIE.

Motherboard will arrive today as well.

Are you gonna wait for the new cpus to launch or you going ryzen 3000 until then?

 

[JollyJamma]

Are you gonna wait for the new cpus to launch or you going ryzen 3000 until then?

I got myself a 3300X to tide me over until Zen 3.

 

[Dr Evil]

I got myself a 3300X to tide me over until Zen 3.

Noiceeee👌Those cpus are exceptionally good from the reviews i've read and seen.
Please do a mini review on the board once you up and running. Those Tomahawks are really great value for money boards. Depending on pricing here I might just put up my board and cpu for sale once the new stuff arrives in SA.

 

[JollyJamma]

Money where my mouth is.

 

[SILTECH786]

Just for your perusal @JollyJamma this price could reach R5500/5600

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[JollyJamma]

Just for your perusal @JollyJamma this price could reach R5500/5600

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It’s a touch expensive but it could be worse.

 

[LouisABC]

That

It’s a touch expensive but it could be worse.

Just for your perusal @JollyJamma this price could reach R5500/5600

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Eish man, that is expense.

Paid like half that for the B450 Gaming Pro. You can basically get a 3300x and a B450 for the price of the x570. Too much is you ask me.

 

[JollyJamma]

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Eish man, that is expense.

Paid like half that for the B450 Gaming Pro. You can basically get a 3300x and a B450 for the price of the x570. Too much is you ask me.

Yeah, it’s expensive.

I paid less than that for mine (about R4700) but I realize that I could have gone for a B450 and been happy.

 

[LouisABC]

Yeah, it’s expensive.

I paid less than that for mine (about R4700) but I realize that I could have gone for a B450 and been happy.

Look, it's a solid board and I reckon on the b450, the ryzen 4xxx would be the last supported CPUs and the x570 might go another generation or two further. And it has pci gen 4, so that is nice, and some over perks. I see now that the board i have, is retailing for R3,700ish, so guess the week rand is not helping much either.

 

[JollyJamma]

Look, it's a solid board and I reckon on the b450, the ryzen 4xxx would be the last supported CPUs and the x570 might go another generation or two further. And it has pci gen 4, so that is nice, and some over perks. I see now that the board i have, is retailing for R3,700ish, so guess the week rand is not helping much either.

Ouch. Yes, R3 700 is a big jump in price.

 

[JollyJamma]

I’m changing my recommendation to only B550 or B450 (unless the price is stupid)

 

[Neo_Geo]

Another reputable reviewers

 

[JollyJamma]

 

[Saaj]

I know its an old topic, but just revive it a bit - i noticed in your sig that you are running a 3300x with the X570 tomahawk. How has your experience been these past few months with that pairing? I am considering something similar for myself as well as an upgrade noting that now the price between the X570 Tomahawk and B550 Tomahawk (that i have been provided with currently) is roughly around 1k).

 

[JollyJamma]

I know its an old topic, but just revive it a bit - i noticed in your sig that you are running a 3300x with the X570 tomahawk. How has your experience been these past few months with that pairing? I am considering something similar for myself as well as an upgrade noting that now the price between the X570 Tomahawk and B550 Tomahawk (that i have been provided with currently) is roughly around 1k).

I haven’t fired it up yet and been able to use it as I don’t yet have a GPU.

I just spend some change on a 1440P 165 hertz screen so until I either pick up a second hand GPU or the new ones come out soon, I can’t say how good the system is.

I’d say that if the specs of a B550 board are good enough to power what you need, stick with that unless you have to have the X570 chipset.

I do think that pricing of the B550 boards is very close to a full fat X570 and there are some advantages of using X570.

 

[Saaj]

I haven’t fired it up yet and been able to use it as I don’t yet have a GPU.

I just spend some change on a 1440P 165 hertz screen so until I either pick up a second hand GPU or the new ones come out soon, I can’t say how good the system is.

I’d say that if the specs of a B550 board are good enough to power what you need, stick with that unless you have to have the X570 chipset.

I do think that pricing of the B550 boards is very close to a full fat X570 and there are some advantages of using X570.

Many thanks for your response, much appreciated.

I am considering the X570 considering pricing for the B550 is not very huge, has more USB Ports as well, and the wifi is an added bonus. I am re-using a few components from my old pc, namely the SSD, HDD and the GPU. What ram would you recommend? Does the X570 have a USB3 header port on the board for the front USB ports?

 

[SILTECH786]

@ThanaToeter_ZA is an everyday X570 user I am certain his input can be of good value here

 

[JollyJamma]

Many thanks for your response, much appreciated.

I am considering the X570 considering pricing for the B550 is not very huge, has more USB Ports as well, and the wifi is an added bonus. I am re-using a few components from my old pc, namely the SSD, HDD and the GPU. What ram would you recommend? Does the X570 have a USB3 header port on the board for the front USB ports?

I would focus less on the USB ports and more on the fact that X570 uses high speed pci-e lanes for the “south bridge” chipset.

The whole backbone of the X570 board uses PCI-e 4.0 over pci-e 3.0.

This means that if you add more pci-e devices to the board, they still run at the full 4.0 spec.

This is why there’s a chipset fan on the board.

I like having built in WiFi and Bluetooth too, extra USB ports are always great so it isn’t hard to justify the extra R1000 for quite an uplift in features.

I’m using a very fast NVMe SSD and I’d like to get a second one somewhere down the line.

I’d like to have thunderbolt too but that I can add with an add in card.

 

[∀Z‾soʇɐuɐɥ┴]

Many thanks for your response, much appreciated.

I am considering the X570 considering pricing for the B550 is not very huge, has more USB Ports as well, and the wifi is an added bonus. I am re-using a few components from my old pc, namely the SSD, HDD and the GPU. What ram would you recommend? Does the X570 have a USB3 header port on the board for the front USB ports?

I'm not certain if 'all' of them do, but my board has 2xUSB 3.0 and 1x USB 3.1 (Type C) headers on the board.

As for RAM I would suggest a 3600mhz kit of TridentZ Neo's or Ripjaws (if you dont like rgb).
The performance diff on AMD from 2666mhz to 3600mhz is quite huge in terms of cpu performance (in my case 2133 to 3200mhz was around 25% perf increase on cpu score for benchmarks).

 

[Senshi]

Many thanks for your response, much appreciated.

I am considering the X570 considering pricing for the B550 is not very huge, has more USB Ports as well, and the wifi is an added bonus. I am re-using a few components from my old pc, namely the SSD, HDD and the GPU. What ram would you recommend? Does the X570 have a USB3 header port on the board for the front USB ports?

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[JollyJamma]

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B Die is nice but expensive. B Die is £100 on special.

I stuck to Micron E Die because it was cheap and I can overclock it from 3200CL16 to 3866CL18.

I spent £74 on my RAM and it has fallen to £66.

I’d love to get B Die but it’s just too expensive for not that much more performance (the timings are very tight with B Die)

 

[Senshi]

B Die is nice but expensive. B Die is £100 on special.

I stuck to Micron E Die because it was cheap and I can overclock it from 3200CL16 to 3866CL18.

I spent £74 on my RAM and it has fallen to £66.

I’d love to get B Die but it’s just too expensive for not that much more performance (the timings are very tight with B Die)

I'm referring to SA though. I feel the bump in peformance is worth the cost.

I'm already listing the kits in a bundle: [Reseller] - Ryzen Upgrade bundle | Resellers Forum

Also, let's be honest. If you can afford a R5k mobo, you can spend the extra R400-600 on a b-die kit (micron kits are +- R2200).

 

[JollyJamma]

I'm referring to SA though. I feel the bump in peformance is worth the cost.

Also, let's be honest. If you can afford a R5k mobo, you can spend the extra R400-600 on a b-die kit (micron kits are +- R2200).

Ok yes, that’s an entirely valid reason.

If the price difference is tiny and you’re spending a good chunk on your system already, it makes sense to get that top tier for not that much more.

I might spend the extra bucks in that case and get an AMD 3600 instead of the 3300X but either are good.

 

[Senshi]

Ok yes, that’s an entirely valid reason.

If the price difference is tiny and you’re spending a good chunk on your system already, it makes sense to get that top tier for not that much more.

I might spend the extra bucks in that case and get an AMD 3600 instead of the 3300X but either are good.

Also, you just spent a ton on a Tomahawk but cheaped out on RAM (that gives tangible real world performance)?

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Makes no sense why'd you buy a good mid-high range mobo and cheap out on RAM. I'd have spent those extra few pounds and gotten a decent kit (actually I did, I got myself a 3800mhz cl14 kit).

 

[Juggy]

I have been considering going ATX and the X570 Tomahawk is on the top of my list. Should handle a 3950X at 4.2 quite easily.

Need a new chassis first though, my H400 is mATX max board size

 

[JollyJamma]

Also, you just spent a ton on a Tomahawk but cheaped out on RAM (that gives tangible real world performance)?

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Makes no sense why'd you buy a good mid-high range mobo and cheap out on RAM. I'd have spent those extra few pounds and gotten a decent kit (actually I did, I got myself a 3800mhz cl14 kit).

Yeah. It was a Buildzoid recommendation.

My ram will do 4000mhz with a days overclock so it’s not far behind B Die.

If I wanted to overclock the hell out of my system, I’d get the Patriot Viper Steel 4000 MHz kit.

Also, AMD systems don’t see any improvement over 4000 MHz ram speed so I was happy being able to run the ram at 3866 and 1933 on the chipsets infinity fabric.

If I was running Intel, I’d definitely get the Viper Steel and run it at ~4500 MHz.

Just because it’s cheap doesn’t mean that it won’t be up there.

All of the videos I posted in this thread added up to a lot of RAM recommendations.

 

[Saaj]

Thanks for all the replies guys. Definitely alot to consider and digest going forward.

I am guessing as well, that the B Die RAM is more a must if you are planning on overclocking the system? I never thought in my lifetime i would consider purchasing an AMD CPU and motherboard, but lately with the way they have been doing things compared to Intel, it has forced me to rethink that mindset.

 

[JollyJamma]

Thanks for all the replies guys. Definitely alot to consider and digest going forward.

I am guessing as well, that the B Die RAM is more a must if you are planning on overclocking the system? I never thought in my lifetime i would consider purchasing an AMD CPU and motherboard, but lately with the way they have been doing things compared to Intel, it has forced me to rethink that mindset.

You and Siltech should sit and have lunch together. He’s a hardcore Intel fanboi.

B Die is great for RAM overclocking. You’d want to hit an infinity fabric speed of 1900 with ram at 3800 so that both are in a 1:1 ratio.

There are a ton of videos about this, some of them are In this thread.

 

[Saaj]

You and Siltech should sit and have lunch together. He’s a hardcore Intel fanboi.

B Die is great for RAM overclocking. You’d want to hit an infinity fabric speed of 1900 with ram at 3800 so that both are in a 1:1 ratio.

There are a ton of videos about this, some of them are In this thread.

lol...i am moving with the times and considering all possibilities now. if looking at alternatives to the 3300x, would the Ryzen 5 3600 be the one to consider?

 

[JollyJamma]

lol...i am moving with the times and considering all possibilities now. if looking at alternatives to the 3300x, would the Ryzen 5 3600 be the one to consider?

Yes. For a good balance, the 3600 is great.

6 cores 12 threads for the 3600 versus 4 cores 8 threads for the 3300X.

Both come out very close in gaming but a couple reviews have pointed to how the 3300X can be a bit under gunned for some games.

That being said, the new range of Zen 3 CPUs are coming out and that’s what I’ll upgrade to. The X570 can easily upgrade to Zen 3.

I expect AMD to keep hammering Intel in almost every real world application with Zen 3.

If I had to buy a PC now, I’d get an X570 Tomahawk and an AMD 3600.