X570 Tomahawk: The new default choice for Ryzen

[JollyJamma]

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Basically, it's a $300 board trading at just under $200 with new and fantastic VRMs.
I don't like that it has a small fan for the "south bridge" but I can live with that if I add a 140mm fan.

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[JollyJamma]

Quick 2 systems:

Upper Mid range

• X570 Tomahawk or X570 Unify
• AMD 3600 CPU
• Crucial Ballistix 3600 RAM
• Corsair RM650 PSU
• Nvidia 2070

Or

Low range / lower mid range

• MSI B450 Tomahawk board or MSI B550 Mortar.
• MSI will fully support Zen 3 for B450 (as will other manufacturers)
• AMD 1600 AF (Zen+) CPU or AMD 3300
• Crucial Ballistix 3200CL16 RAM Micron REV E Die - will do 4000mhz. (Model BL2K8G32C16U4B)
• Leadex 650W 80 Plus Silver
• AMD 5700 (Sapphire would be my first choice manufacturer)

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[BurritoSunshine]

Quick build idea:

• X570 Tomahawk
• AMD 3600 CPU
• Trident Z Neo 3600
• Corsair RM650 PSU
• Nvidia 2070

Or

• MSI B450 Mortar
• AMD 1600 AF (Zen+) CPU
• Corsair 3200CL16 RAM
• Leadex 650W 80 Plus Silver
• AMD 5700 XT

I'm thinking something along the lines of your mentioned 1600 af build.. Price to performance is great

 

[JollyJamma]

I'm thinking something along the lines of your mentioned 1600 af build.. Price to performance is great

Well, it’s based off my own research into the current market.

The cost of the 1600AF is low when compared to Intel and higher end AMD CPUs and it has enough cores to keep most people happy.

I’d only get the 3600 if I needed better IPC efficiency.

If I wanted to build a new machine that would easily do 1440P, I’d definitely get either one.

 

[BurritoSunshine]

Well, it’s based off my own research into the current market.

The extra cost of the 1600AF is low and it has enough cores to keep most people happy.

I’d only get the 3600 if I needed better IPC efficiency.

If I wanted to build a new machine that would easily do 1440P, I’d definitely get either one.

I'm looking towards one day 1440p 144hz.

What would you think of this

Cpu Ryzen 5 1600af

Mobo asus Rog strix x370 f

Ram corsair vengeance pro 3200mhz 16gb

Gpu zotac gtx 1070 Amp 8gb

2x 1tb hdd

1x 250gb ssd

Coolermaster 750w Psu

Case (I like the nzxt h500i but haven't decided)

 

[Eon]

Glad you mentioned that fan. I refuse to buy a mobo with a fan on the South Bridge, they always fail one day when you aren't watching and there goes the mobo. They should just triple the heat sink size and remove the fan, that is serious cost cutting right there to the doing in of the buyer.

 

[JollyJamma]

I'm looking towards one day 1440p 144hz.

What would you think of this

Cpu Ryzen 5 1600af

Mobo asus Rog strix x370 f

Ram corsair vengeance pro 3200mhz 16gb

Gpu zotac gtx 1070 Amp 8gb

2x 1tb hdd

1x 250gb ssd

Coolermaster 750w Psu

Case (I like the nzxt h500i but haven't decided)

I wouldn’t touch that motherboard and I don’t know much about CoolerMaster products to make a choice.

You don’t want an X370 board.

 

[BurritoSunshine]

I wouldn’t touch that motherboard and I don’t know much about CoolerMaster products to make a choice.

You don’t want an X370 board.

OH ok how come?

 

[JollyJamma]

OH ok how come?

The newer chipsets are much better and much more stable.

If it was very cheap and you needed a machine, sure. The B450 mortar is cheap and much better.

 

[BurritoSunshine]

The newer chipsets are much better and much more stable.

If it was very cheap and you needed a machine, sure. The B450 mortar is cheap and much better.

OK thanks for the info, will look into the B450 mortar.
I mentioned that 370 because it was in a upgrade kit I'm looking at from evetech..

 

[JollyJamma]

OK thanks for the info, will look into the B450 mortar.
I mentioned that 370 because it was in a upgrade kit I'm looking at from evetech..

Leave Evetech alone. Their “upgrade kits” are shit.

Buy from @Wootware or @RebelTech - people who actually stand behind their products and have amazing service.

 

[Pickled_Dick]

I wouldn’t touch that motherboard and I don’t know much about CoolerMaster products to make a choice.

You don’t want an X370 board.

Cooler Master is just as good as any other power supply,
They all come from four oem's at the end of the day.

 

[Phence]

The newer chipsets are much better and much more stable.

If it was very cheap and you needed a machine, sure. The B450 mortar is cheap and much better.

Chipsets or CPUs? I think the chipsets were fine.

The problem is this MSI board will be like R5-6k when it gets to SA.

 

[JollyJamma]

Chipsets or CPUs? I think the chipsets were fine.

The problem is this MSI board will be like R5-6k when it gets to SA.

I watched a Gamers Nexus video and they said that first gen chipsets were no where near as good as zen+.

That was when they were doing the whole #RIPJAY thing. I think it was memory overclocking and stability.

Edit
Hah, found it. You were right. They are the same but the memory support on the newer chipsets is better, as I said.

The X470 and X370 chipsets were actually the same as each other, with the only real difference being major upfits to motherboard BIOS by the manufacturers. X470 motherboards generally solved a lot of X370’s rampant memory issues early in the life of Ryzen, and that was more BIOS-side or trace routing than anything. X470 was more of a demarcation of a BIOS upfit, not an actual chipset change.

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[JollyJamma]

OK thanks for the info, will look into the B450 mortar.
I mentioned that 370 because it was in a upgrade kit I'm looking at from evetech..

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY would you spend R5500 on an old motherboard, mid-range CPU and good but not great RAM????????
Evetech and their BS offerings.

 

[BurritoSunshine]

WHHHHHHHHHHHHHHY would you spend R5500 on an old motherboard, mid-range CPU and good but not great RAM????????
Evetech and their BS offerings.

What would you recommend for R5500?

 

[JollyJamma]

What would you recommend for R5500?

Spend your money on the B450 Mortar and drop to a quad core. I presume you’re gaming at 1080P.

Evetech look to have old stock that they are flogging for local suppliers.

 

[M@tree2]

Here is a PSU tier list, good idea, before making a choice.
PSU tier list

If you are just gaming then quad core is sufficient, like @JollyJamma said, he has good advice!

Don't know which CM PSU you are going for, but I would personally have a look at something else..
CM fans are okay, AIOs are not great (Had one leak), that says enough on it's own.
Paid R2k for my EVGA G2 1000W from Wootware, 3 year local warranty and 10 year extended warranty...

 

[JollyJamma]

All I really know about power supplies is that there are a few core OEM manufacturers who sell their designs onto other brands.

Super Flower, Great Wall and Seasonic are all OEM creators of a PSU.

EVGA, XFX, CoolerMaster, Corsair etc just buy OEM models and then pass them on as their own.

Some brands refuse to use badly designed OEM models and you can generally rely on them. Some use a mixture of really good and utter turds to appeal to the different budgets of buyers.

I’d look at reviews and tests of each model within a brands lineup before making the plunge.

 

[JollyJamma]

Some retailers are just assholes: € 599.00

Edit: it was €599 when I first viewed the product. Pulling a TakeaLot move.

 

[JollyJamma]

 

[Synaesthesia]

Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 review. They're faster than a 7700K for $99 and $120!

The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gaming Bonanza

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[Phence]

Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 review. They're faster than a 7700K for $99 and $120!

The AMD Ryzen 3 3300X and 3100 CPU Review: A Budget Gaming Bonanza

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And you can get one now, then still upgrade to the new Ryzen 4000 CPUs when they launch in Q3/4 this year.

 

[JollyJamma]

Buying Intel right now makes no sense.

 

[Valheru]

Buying Intel right now makes no sense.

+1

The only thing that might give them an edge right now is if they can really lay the smack down, e.g. the 10900K + MB for +-650USD that can all-core over / near 5GHz. That will grab my attention. Problem is AMD still has an ace to deliver by being able to drop prices by say 10-15% immediately after Intel releases their new range.

 

[JollyJamma]

+1

The only thing that might give them an edge right now is if they can really lay the smack down, e.g. the 10900K + MB for +-650USD that can all-core over / near 5GHz. That will grab my attention. Problem is AMD still has an ace to deliver by being able to drop prices by say 10-15% immediately after Intel releases their new range.

650USD is most people’s budget for their entire computer.

Yes, the 10900K is the fastest gaming chip in the world but it’s also one that very few can afford.

 

[Phence]

The news of B450 not supporting Ryzen 4000 sucks. Just got a B450 Tomahawk Max thinking it would support Ryzen 4000.

B550 is the new value king if you do buy new, a warning for users looking to upgrade. They might only be out in 1-2 months though. Local prices of X570 boards is just ridiculous, and with their higher power usage and mostly active cooling I'd steer clear. I like the B450 simple heatsink and value it provides with boards that have a good VRM.

 

[SILTECH786]

"Yes, the 10900K is the fastest gaming chip in the world but it’s also one that very few can afford" = Agreed

And yes the 10900k can do over "5GHz" I have a good mind of putting together a X570 rig for the pure fun of it perphaps a 3900x could work just fine

 

[JollyJamma]

The news of B450 not supporting Ryzen 4000 sucks. Just got a B450 Tomahawk Max thinking it would support Ryzen 4000.

Yeah but AMD did said they would support AM4 up until 2020 and there have been 3 generations of chips so far on one platform.


AMD may change their mind and add support for Zen 3 to the B450 boards (especially the Max boards).

Or all of the enthusiasts who purchased the 3950X will move to Ryzen 4000 and you can snap up a top CPU for a pretty good price.

If you look at Intels offerings, it’s 2 generations (Max) with the same Skylake process fab being used and all the extreme overclockers (like Buildzoid) have said that the extra pins in the new sockets are useless.

 

[JollyJamma]

Ryzen 3300X at 5.5ghz under LN2