Will the 12600k be worth it.

[geraldhum]

I am looking to go 12 gen from an i3 8th gen.
I am not into over clocking. I can save money on a non k as well as a non z690 mobo.

I also enjoy flight simulator and medium settings are good for me.

Ddr5 is still a bit expensive so I will stick with DDR4 for now.

Is there also a big difference from the 12400,12500 and 12600 CPU, meaning will I see a difference in game play with these cpus

 

[solz]

there is a big difference between the k and non k units.

but between the non k i5 units not much difference, only their speeds are slightly faster as the last number increases.

 

[geraldhum]

there is a big difference between the k and non k units.

but between the non k i5 units not much difference, only their speeds are slightly faster as the last number increases.

If i get the K version. Will the B660 chipset be ok since i wont be over clocking?
Something like this mobo Gigabyte GA-B660M-DS3H-DDR4 B660M DS3H DDR4 Intel B660 Alder Lake LGA1700 Micro-ATX Desktop Motherboard - Wootware

 

[Mantis]

good luck getting an i5 thou

I have been waiting a month for my 12600k, and hopefully arriving next week.

upgrading from 12100f, will see how much difference I will get, judging by youtube not much for gaming.

 

[geraldhum]

good luck getting an i5 thou

I have been waiting a month for my 12600k, and hopefully arriving next week.

upgrading from 12100f, will see how much difference I will get, judging by youtube not much for gaming.

Where did you order yours from as i see Wootware has got stock?

 

[Mantis]

from raru, usually dont have any problems with them.

might need to contact wootware just to confirm stock to be on the safe side, things change quickly these days when it comes to pc components.

 

[solz]

If i get the K version. Will the B660 chipset be ok since i wont be over clocking?
Something like this mobo Gigabyte GA-B660M-DS3H-DDR4 B660M DS3H DDR4 Intel B660 Alder Lake LGA1700 Micro-ATX Desktop Motherboard - Wootware

yeah the b chip will be just fine.
it'll save some cash seeing you not planning on OCing

 

[Oj0]

You may as well go the the KF, as with a graphics card there’s no point paying a cent extra for an iGPU you won’t use.

Intel Core i5-12600KF 10 Core CPU with HyperThreading, No Cooler, Unlocked Multiplier, No Integrated Graphics, LGA1700, 3.7GHz (4.9GHz Turbo) — Best Deals at Progenix — South Africa

Intel Core i5-12600KF Processor (20M Cache, up to 4.90 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

progenix.co.za

Gigabyte B660M DS3H DDR4, Intel B660 Chipset, LGA1700, DDR4, Micro ATX Desktop Motherboard — Best Deals at Progenix — South Africa

Intel B660 Motherboard with 6+2+1 Phases Hybrid Digital VRM with MOS Heatsink, 2 x PCIe 4.0 M.2 with Thermal Guard, 2.5GbE LAN, Rear USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, RGB FUSION 2.0, Q-Flash Plus

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Plenty stock of both (in fact, plenty of the normal K as well, so I don’t know why Raru is making @Mantis wait).

 

[ThatGuyJD]

So the only reason to get the k/kf is the extra 4 ecores that none of the others have and if you're planning on leaving it fully stock the board will get hot but not dangerously so although if you do as little as unlocking the power limits you're going to be in for a bad time.

 

[JackdanZA]

I have a 12600k with a 3060 and it plays like a bomb everything on ultra 1440p trust me it is worthy of it!

 

[dash09]

So the only reason to get the k/kf is the extra 4 ecores that none of the others have and if you're planning on leaving it fully stock the board will get hot but not dangerously so although if you do as little as unlocking the power limits you're going to be in for a bad time.

Will those 4 ecores do anything at all to the gaming experience? While stock, no unlocked power limits or anything

 

[ThatGuyJD]

Will those 4 ecores do anything at all to the gaming experience? While stock, no unlocked power limits or anything

Go watch a review yourself. GN and HUB will have all the charts your heart desires.


Jk on the tone but seriously, I'm not entirely sure. Go watch the reviews, I haven't ever used the non-k ones and my 12600kf is all core OCed with tuned memory timings. My experience will differ from stock.

 

[T3CH 1D10T]

Will those 4 ecores do anything at all to the gaming experience? While stock, no unlocked power limits or anything

Not worthy of the cost increase.. 12600 will be best- most games (although this is changing) arent able to utilize all the cores on these high(er)-core cpus, but will benefit from the few cores used being as fast a possible.. nothing wrong with the 4.8Ghz the 12600 runs at imo.

Also what GPU do you have and what TV/monitor? You mention medium settings but what resolution? Are you going to want to upgrade either of these in the near future, which are some of, if not the most important components for a gamer? Best upgrade i ever did was my display- completely changed my gaming experince, and way more so than any other peripheral or component upgrade ever did. So i would highly recommened looking at that if you are maybe running an "aged-tech" display!

 

[Mantis]

You may as well go the the KF, as with a graphics card there’s no point paying a cent extra for an iGPU you won’t use.

Intel Core i5-12600KF 10 Core CPU with HyperThreading, No Cooler, Unlocked Multiplier, No Integrated Graphics, LGA1700, 3.7GHz (4.9GHz Turbo) — Best Deals at Progenix — South Africa

Intel Core i5-12600KF Processor (20M Cache, up to 4.90 GHz) quick reference guide including specifications, features, pricing, compatibility, design documentation, ordering codes, spec codes and more.

progenix.co.za

Gigabyte B660M DS3H DDR4, Intel B660 Chipset, LGA1700, DDR4, Micro ATX Desktop Motherboard — Best Deals at Progenix — South Africa

Intel B660 Motherboard with 6+2+1 Phases Hybrid Digital VRM with MOS Heatsink, 2 x PCIe 4.0 M.2 with Thermal Guard, 2.5GbE LAN, Rear USB 3.2 Gen 2 Type-C, RGB FUSION 2.0, Q-Flash Plus

progenix.co.za

Plenty stock of both (in fact, plenty of the normal K as well, so I don’t know why Raru is making @Mantis wait).

"due to a backlog of orders received which has caused delays" from their supplier, was their support response.

Hopefully it arrives at the end of the week, havent had issues before with them since the past couple of years using them.
Hopefully this is not the first time they cant deliver.

 

[Petester]

You don't need more than a 12400F for gaming unless you have like a RTX 3090.
I presume you don't have anything close to that, so even a 12600 variant is a waste.

Screw E-cores. Worst idea since sliced bread. * Edit * - Sliced Cheese

 

[JollyJamma]

I am looking to go 12 gen from an i3 8th gen.
I am not into over clocking. I can save money on a non k as well as a non z690 mobo.

I also enjoy flight simulator and medium settings are good for me.

Ddr5 is still a bit expensive so I will stick with DDR4 for now.

Is there also a big difference from the 12400,12500 and 12600 CPU, meaning will I see a difference in game play with these cpus

That'll be a big upgrade for you. 12th gen is much faster, plus you have far more cores.

Suggest the 12600KF for your needs with the MSI Z690-a Pro (if it's reasonably priced in ZA).

You don't need DDR5, just carry over your DDR4.

Had a quick look, the Z690-a Pro is way too expensive in ZA. Sorry. It's £170 here but R4800 in ZA.

 

[Switch]

Will those 4 ecores do anything at all to the gaming experience? While stock, no unlocked power limits or anything

Not directly, the e-cores are too slow for processing modern games (but probably fast enough for much older win xp era titles), what they do however provide an advantage in is processing other things while you're gaming. So for example your discord audio or background music from itunes/spotify or keyboard/mouse inputs, allowing your main cores to process gaming and graphics data uninterrupted. But that's the theory, it depends on the OS and the programmers to implement correctly, which is why there were/are (not sure if this has been resolved) issues with running virtual machines since the cpu scheduler sometimes used e-cores for virtual machines which resulted in horrible performance.

I have a 12600k with a 3060 and it plays like a bomb everything on ultra 1440p trust me it is worthy of it!

That's most likely your 3060 doing most of the work, not the cpu. A 5600(x) can equally perform as well.

 

[Mantis]

eish, thats what I've been reading aswell.

will wait till next week still before coming to a conclusion that I prob wont get my i5.

 

[ThatGuyJD]

eish, thats what I've been reading aswell.

will wait till next week still before coming to a conclusion that I prob wont get my i5.

The 12100 can just about keep up with a 3090 in 1080p the extra cores at 12400 is nice, Fs save on cost but no iGPU if you need troubleshooting help. The K skews are for fun...

 

[Oj0]

You don't need more than a 12400F for gaming unless you have like a RTX 3090.

The thing is, futureproofing. Yes, there's no such thing, but you can try.

The Core i3-2130 often beat the FX-8150 back in the day, but in modern games the i3-2130 falls over dead while the FX-8150 plunders along. We don't need higher core counts TODAY, but we don't know what tomorrow brings.

Oh, and if you have background tasks running, the additional cores can handle them while your primary (performance) cores handle the game. It's one area in which I find reviews to be... a bit separated from reality. Nobody runs Chrome, Skype, their... Linux downloading app, 300 different game launchers (Steam, Epic, etc), their RGB control software, their hardware monitoring software, etc etc etc during gaming for benchmarks, but reality is that's how most of us roll.

 

[Petester]

The thing is, futureproofing. Yes, there's no such thing, but you can try.

The Core i3-2130 often beat the FX-8150 back in the day, but in modern games the i3-2130 falls over dead while the FX-8150 plunders along. We don't need higher core counts TODAY, but we don't know what tomorrow brings.

Oh, and if you have background tasks running, the additional cores can handle them while your primary (performance) cores handle the game. It's one area in which I find reviews to be... a bit separated from reality. Nobody runs Chrome, Skype, their... Linux downloading app, 300 different game launchers (Steam, Epic, etc), their RGB control software, their hardware monitoring software, etc etc etc during gaming for benchmarks, but reality is that's how most of us roll.

Shut up ok 12400F is all you need. You're just trying to sell more 12th gen CPU's 😉

 

[Oj0]

Shut up ok 12400F is all you need. You're just trying to sell more 12th gen CPU's 😉

My logic is sound

Unlike this poor guy who isn't hearing anything.

 

[Petester]

My logic is sound

Unlike this poor guy who isn't hearing anything.

lol was just reading that

 

[superrob]

So what the guys above are saying is wait until the 13900k comes out because minesweeper or solitaire cannot run on less cores

 

[Petester]

So what the guys above are saying is wait until the 13900k comes out because minesweeper or solitaire cannot run on less cores

E-cores is just marketing babble, so Intel can look like they are environmentally friendly . "The ozone, the poor ozone. More P cores will harm the planet "

 

[superrob]

Okay okay stop twisting my arm, he's saying you need a server room to reliably run Crysis 3 at 240p

 

[ThatGuyJD]

E-cores is just marketing babble, so Intel can look like they are environmentally friendly . "The ozone, the poor ozone. More P cores will harm the planet "

Not really, it's marketing babble but imagine trying to cool a 12 P core chip or 16 P core. It's going to run 300-400w stock which is what people are complaining about for GPUs and those dies are so much larger. Absolutely have to be on full custom loop just to run stock without thermal throttling.

 

[Petester]

Not really, it's marketing babble but imagine trying to cool a 12 P core chip or 16 P core. It's going to run 300-400w stock which is what people are complaining about for GPUs and those dies are so much larger. Absolutely have to be on full custom loop just to run stock without thermal throttling.

The point is you don't need E-cores or more P cores, and when they make dies more efficient ,then they can put more "normal" cores on the die. Intel 12th gen is a shit show imo. 12900K is a piece of hot, power hungry garbage . Hardly progress.

 

[superrob]

It's all starting to make sense P-cores + E-cores + tester(a person that tests them)

 

[Petester]

It's all starting to make sense P-cores + E-cores + tester(a person that tests them)

Cryptic but I get it