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Are the Athlon/Sempron days coming back? Personally I'm more interested in whether Intel has an answer though at the moment.
Personally i dont think they do. The 9900k, although a beast, seems to me like a rushed project to stay ontop of the hill. If you want to hit those boost clocks you can forget the 95watt TDP they claim. The TDP when the cpu is at full tilt goes to something like 170watts from most articles i read hence why its so hard to keep the thing cool. I think they are at the limits with 14nm. They need to get ontop of their 7nm process and upcoming 10nm.
 

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I went 2600x from my 6700 non k because my ghat was itching. Enjoying the change, and learning about RAM timings and speeds and their influence on gaming in the AMD sphere (spoiler, it seems to be about a 5% difference at 1440p, but my rock solid timings so far is at 3% better at 1440p).

I think you would be happy with either choice. See what's cheaper, including motherboard and RAM that you want. Honestly think I spend so much time obsessing about hardware, I forget I got into hardware because I love gaming.
 
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The 8400 is a 6core chip like the 2600 but it doesnt have hyperthreading, also the 8400 runs at a higher turbo frequency then the 2600 can ever hope to achieve
who is arguing that the Ryzen is not faster?

The point is AMD tried to beat Intel 10 years ago by clocking their CPUs higher, now they do it by throwing more cores at it.

Its all about price vs application
 
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who is arguing that the Ryzen is not faster?

The point is AMD tried to beat Intel 20 years ago by clocking their CPUs higher, now they do it by throwing more cores at it.

Its all about price vs application
Get a ryzen setup and try it. Right now you just talking and not walking. it's like a Apple fanboy saying Samsung is kak.
 

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Get a ryzen setup and try it. Right now you just talking and not walking. it's like a Apple fanboy saying Samsung is kak.
like my Ryzen 1700x in my home PC and my 2700u my work laptop??

Cant build a reasonable argument, blames it on fanboyism :ROFLMAO:
 

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Rest assured that in gaming, Intel have and always will be king. Most games are optimised to run better on Intel CPUs so they will always have the advantage there, as for other workloads, AMD definitely has the upper hand. So all depends on what you intend to use your pc for. knowing you Ngoni, it's gonna be for gaming so stick with intel
This isn't really true as we don't know what the future will hold.

Also one has to look at value, even if Intel are 100% of the time the performance winners, if AMD are 1% slower at 50% of the price, then that (value) is another factor to go by.
 

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like my Ryzen 1700x in my home PC and my 2700u my work laptop??

Cant build a reasonable argument, blames it on fanboyism :ROFLMAO:
Ok my bad on that, the way you talked here it sounded 100% like a fanboy mentality. If you maybe opened with what chip you compared that 1700x to and why you say it is lacking we would have a different conversation. So what is the problem with that 1700x, where is it grinding your gears?
 

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Lemme just put this out there ... there's no "War" ?

I mean cmon seriously ...

Nvidia sets the benchmark - AMD tries to follow
Intel sets the benchmark - AMD tries to follow ...

same goes for Apple setting the benchmark and Android trying their absolute hardest to play in that space ...

another example is Microsoft WIndows and Linux - where's linux now ?
 

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Lemme just put this out there ... there's no "War" ?

I mean cmon seriously ...

Nvidia sets the benchmark - AMD tries to follow
Intel sets the benchmark - AMD tries to follow ...

same goes for Apple setting the benchmark and Android trying their absolute hardest to play in that space ...

another example is Microsoft WIndows and Linux - where's linux now ?
You are going to get the underdog supporters hot and rowdy in here with facts like that...
 

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Lemme just put this out there ... there's no "War" ?

I mean cmon seriously ...

Nvidia sets the benchmark - AMD tries to follow
Intel sets the benchmark - AMD tries to follow ...

same goes for Apple setting the benchmark and Android trying their absolute hardest to play in that space ...

another example is Microsoft WIndows and Linux - where's linux now ?
So are you saying that, once reviews come out ofcourse, that if AMD`s cpus are faster it doesn't really matter because intel were faster than them previously (hence setting the benchmark)?
 

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Get a ryzen setup and try it. Right now you just talking and not walking. it's like a Apple fanboy saying Samsung is kak.
That is the worst analogy you could have possibly used. xD A phone is a experience, and the difference between iOS and Android is HUGE.

Also, in this case we can look at FPS benches. You don't need to 'experience' it.

Average FPS winner is Intel on all fronts last I checked, and have been for quite some time.
 

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So are you saying that, once reviews come out ofcourse, that if AMD`s cpus are faster it doesn't really matter because intel were faster than them previously (hence setting the benchmark)?
More along the lines of AMD is going to catch up again, then Intel will set the next benchmark shortly afterwards...

ps. I am not a bigger fan of one or the other. Repetition of history is strong though, and FPS benches don't lie...
 

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Playing catchup in my mind means you try and match something. Whoever leads at any given stage is the benchmark.

Panda, how does the cost per average fps stack up against each other?
 

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Lemme just put this out there ... there's no "War" ?

I mean cmon seriously ...

Nvidia sets the benchmark - AMD tries to follow
Intel sets the benchmark - AMD tries to follow ...

same goes for Apple setting the benchmark and Android trying their absolute hardest to play in that space ...

another example is Microsoft WIndows and Linux - where's linux now ?
https://www.protondb.com/ Also the number of games working via steam is much higher than 5096. I dedicated a HDD to ubuntu to test this myself. No Man's Sky works, Star Citizen works if you use a Lutris script and so on. At this rate you're not gonna need Windows for gaming, soon.
 

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That is the worst analogy you could have possibly used. xD A phone is a experience, and the difference between iOS and Android is HUGE.

Also, in this case we can look at FPS benches. You don't need to 'experience' it.

Average FPS winner is Intel on all fronts last I checked, and have been for quite some time.
Not by the looks of this.
Again, these were my 2 choices going by my budget at that time.
 

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More along the lines of AMD is going to catch up again, then Intel will set the next benchmark shortly afterwards...

ps. I am not a bigger fan of one or the other. History is strong though, and FPS benches don't lie...
But that just sounds like normal competition to me? because thereafter AMD could create a faster cpu ,the way i see it so in that instance who is the benchmark because by the same logic i can apply that argument back and say that AMD is now setting the benchmark and intel have to catch up to them with the next iteration?

You see my sig so Im part of the Intel camp myself but to purely rubbish what AMD have done (if the product is really better) with the argument that we used to be faster just seems like blind fanboyism. Im always objective with this type of stuff. If the product is better than what intel have out there then its better and thats that. The same goes for the other way around hence im still using my intel rig until now.

PS. Not a jab at you but Im just trying to understand the argument here
 
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Ok my bad on that, the way you talked here it sounded 100% like a fanboy mentality. If you maybe opened with what chip you compared that 1700x to and why you say it is lacking we would have a different conversation. So what is the problem with that 1700x, where is it grinding your gears?
I have no issues with it?

I'm just not oblivious to the fact that AMD had to make a chip with more cores, clock it higher and inherently made it more power hungry to be competitive .
 
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