Upgrading My PC Advice

[BeesZA]

Hey.

So i have about R8000 to spend on an upgrade kit. Now i have looked at a lot of youtube video's, and i mean a lot and some say get the i7 8700 and others say get the i5 8600k.

Now i do mostly play games but i also do some design work and coding. I also want this upgrade to last me a few years, i do not want to buy anything cpu/mobo/ram related in the next 3-4 years.

So here is what i am busy looking at:

Group 1:
I7 8700
MSI B360 gaming pro carbon
8GB DDR4 2666Mhz

Group 2:
i5 8600k
MSI Z370 Tomahawk
8GB DDR4 2666Mhz

And then also, will my corsair cx 600 be able to power these new components?

 

[SCHUMI4EVER]

What GPU is this being bundled with?
And you know that's too little RAM right? I assume the plan is to add another stick as soon as funds replenish?

For longevity more cores = winner

 

[Chekando]

Prioritize 16GB’s of ram, unless you plan to do this a little bit down the road, it’s almost a necessity nowadays.

 

[Cheetahs]

I think definitely go for the i7 bundle rather

on the i5 bundle:
you say you don't plan to spend more money at all right? and the RAM listed is 2666mhz while the board can go 4000mhz+, so solution is get cheaper motherboard, better ram or better cpu. Yes you can OC the cpu but it's not a + point I feel like, as the i7 is better anyway and more future proof.

if you really want you can maybe upgrade the i7 bundle's motherboard so if you get better RAM it can support it and OC, because as you probably know b360 boards don't allow overclocking

These are the upgrade kits of evetech right? the one with the z370 msi tomahawk is only 600 rand more, which is not a small amount but just my 2cents

 

[BeesZA]

What GPU is this being bundled with?
And you know that's too little RAM right? I assume the plan is to add another stick as soon as funds replenish?

For longevity more cores = winner

I have an Rx 580 8Gb, and i did not know that is too little ram. Been using 8gig all my life. So looks like the general consensus is get the i7 with a z370 board & 16gigs of ram.

 

[Chekando]

Have you considered going amd, 2700 or even 2600X? They’re great value at the moment.

 

[Cheetahs]

Yes I agree, Ryzen is definitely worth consideration, but I assume you probably have made your choice platform wise? I would've gone Ryzen if it wasn't for the new coffee lake release and an awesome motherboard deal I got specifically on 1151. But I do admit the new coffee lake is quite nice and compares well to Ryzen. It's a very tough choice that you usually go back and forth with. One cool thing about Ryzen is AMD have said they will keep future releases till about 2021 on the AM4 platform so you don't have to upgrade to a new motherboard till then. But if you're planning to keep for a few years, as you said, then it's cool either way I guess.

In most games Intel is slightly better, a lot of games do not utilize the cores and threads of games properly and as a result Ryzen's higher core's and threads don't really make a big impact. But still, all round Ryzen is better. In the end you probably won't realise the difference all that much. Just do what your heart desires I suppose.
The i7 is a very nice cpu .

Let's just hope your graphics card doesn't detect you have intel and start to muck about (kidding obviously)

 

[BeesZA]

Have you considered going amd, 2700 or even 2600X? They’re great value at the moment.

I have not since everyone says intel is better for gaming and apparently you can see the difference on windows 10 with the 2 different processors.

 

[JollyJamma]

I have not since everyone says intel is better for gaming and apparently you can see the difference on windows 10 with the 2 different processors.

Not really. AMD will give you better bang for your buck and be far more upgradable in the future.

The i7 will last longer and perform better overall but an 8600 will still rock.

If you’re not getting a K series CPU, don’t get a Z series board. Drop the board to an H series and spend the difference on RAM.

You might get away with 8 gigs but I doubt it. Some games and apps are getting RAM heavy and your machine will drop to cache as a backup, slowing things down.

 

[ho3RVo3r]

Now i do mostly play games but i also do some design work and coding. I also want this upgrade to last me a few years, i do not want to buy anything cpu/mobo/ram related in the next 3-4 years.

Best value all-rounder CPU right now according to Hardware Unboxed, is the r5 2600/2600X.
And its a R1000odd cheaper than the i5 8600k and almost half the price of an i7 8700k.
Best value gaming CPU right now according to Hardware Unboxed, is the i5 8400.

If you dont plan on OCing go for the r5 2600x, because OCing it to an all core 4.2GHZ makes the singlecore performance sometimes slower when XFR allows it to boost to 4.35GHZ.

If you do change your mind and want a stronger CPU down the road, AMD got you covered, as they will support the AM4 socket till 2020. Where as Intel will force you to buy a new motherboard to get a stronger CPU.

And my guess is when Intel release their new 8core i7 9700k end of this year, the i5 will become a 6c12t part... making you wish you waited a few months longer, to get the same 6c12t for less money than you would pay now for the i5, or getting an 8c16t for the same as the i7 now.

Just my two cents, take it or leave it.

 

[ho3RVo3r]

I have not since everyone says intel is better for gaming and apparently you can see the difference on windows 10 with the 2 different processors.

There is yet another security threat on Intel's side.. not to say that zen doesnt have security flaws, but Intel is suffering a bit, and some people do get worse results after all the spectre and meltdown patches

 

[ho3RVo3r]

I have an Rx 580 8Gb, and i did not know that is too little ram. Been using 8gig all my life. So looks like the general consensus is get the i7 with a z370 board & 16gigs of ram.

Go AMD then you have an all team red setup. LOL.

 

[ho3RVo3r]

Ive recently upgraded from an i7 4790k to the r7 1700, because I got a good deal on my i7 and on my new r7... and I'm really happy with my decision!
I used to do just gaming and for that reason the 4790k is still superior to the 1700, especially at 4.4-4.8GHZ compared to the 3.8-4GHZ the r7 1700 is limited to, but because I dont game that much, and if I game, its on 1440p with a GTX 1080, and I do a lot more development and run VMs in the background, I decided that the r7 1700 is much better for my use case!

 

[ho3RVo3r]

At 1080p a rx 580 can be maxed out with an i3 8100 or a r3 2200G... so you might as well just buy one of those if you just gonna game.

Point is, any CPU you choose, i5 8400 / 8600k, i7 8700 / 8700k, r5 2600 / 2600x, r7 2700 / 2700x will max out you current graphics card... So you might as well choose the cheaper amd 6c12t, get 16gb ram instead of 8gb, and have a better upgrade path, and more cash to spend on a GPU upgrade in the future if you wish to do so!

 

[Chekando]

I have not since everyone says intel is better for gaming and apparently you can see the difference on windows 10 with the 2 different processors.

Yeah like the other guy said, unless you plan on going for a 1080ti at 1080p later on you’ll never see that extra bit of performance. I have a 1700 and I have no complaints performance wise. 16 threads are nice [emoji106]

 

[JollyJamma]

Yell with me people? AMD! AMD! AMD!

Intel are dicks at the moment. The Z370 was released first with the cheap motherboards coming far later on but with improved onboard functionality such as 10gb/s USB.

Then they announced Z390 because, you know, polluting their product line makes sense and kicking their current clients is funny.

I’m happy with my Z370 setup but I think AMD treats their customers far better and give decent support for a decent product.

 

[BeesZA]

Yeah like the other guy said, unless you plan on going for a 1080ti at 1080p later on you’ll never see that extra bit of performance. I have a 1700 and I have no complaints performance wise. 16 threads are nice [emoji106]

Yeah i want to upgrade my GPU, so it will go Upgrade kit, then more ram and then GPU. Thanks for everyone's input. I appreciate it.

 

[aupshon]

I would go with the 8700 and the Z board. Like everyone else says more future proof. Also if you have a z board maybe in a couple of years you can trade it in for an 8700k for more longevity

 

[Ner0]

Wait 3 to 4 months for new platform its like 120 days, wish i waited.........

bought my z370 and 8600k Jan/Feb really good cpu OC is nice and temps

or buy amd 2700/2600 and x370 mobo dont by the 2700x

Intel\'s 8-core Coffee Lake-S maisntream CPUs to launch in September on the Z390 platform

 

[JollyJamma]

8 cores and 12 threads is overkill for most users, unless their gaming and doing some video editing.
I'm not too upset about the Z390 chipset because an i3 8100 still works for me fine as is. I'll upgrade to a 6 core 8700 later on, just because.

Intel are very late to the game with their multi core offerings though. AMD is offering great CPUs at great prices and are refining their product line nicely.

My step dad who works for an insurance company recently acquired one of the earlier Ryzen CPUs for number crunching. They cut down a process that was taking an Intel CPU 50 mins to 15. When you are paying someone north of R150 000.00 per month and they can get ~30mins more work done per data mining session, the system pays for it'self after even just ~2 weeks.

Intel are idiots for not offering the 8 core variants on the Z370 chipset.

Edit: Oh, AMD, you scamp AMD Trolls Intel: Offers 16-Core Chip to Winners of Six-Core 8086K (Updated With Intel Response)