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the whole blacklisting of phones discussion

adamr

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Recently I have noticed many topics or discussions on blacklisted phoned not only on this forum but other forums and have had discussions with people as well. But I'm not talking stolen phones here but phones which have been blacklisted for non payment on contracts

So far the phones i have seen blacklisted have all been Vodacom phones and despite paperwork being in order it holds no weight as the provider still owns the phone.

Phones for sale by resellers are most if not all on contract from either a corporate or individual ... even on carb right now most phones for sale are contract phones(individuals or resellers). So this is a huge problem and people should understand they are taking the risk for buying a phone on contract for one of the two scenarios below that can happen:

1. person selling phone knows they going to default on their contract and just wants to make a quick buck ... so they stop paying after a few months

2. person or corporate got into financial problems and cannot commit to their contractual obligations and as such can't pay.

Point two above is the one that can happen to anyone. And it can happen to good people. We are in a tough economic climate; so this is a possibility one should not rule out for anyone. On carb I have seen posts from people who need financial help who I assumed were well to do ... but it's a sad reality

so knowing this ... buying a phone on contract no matter from who is a risk the buyer must be willing to accept!

Speaking to a legal person courts will also find it tough to rule in the buyers favour. Their logic goes like this: "You bought a phone that legally wasn't the sellers to begin with ... and you knew this" ... you know where the rest of that discussion will go

I'd like to think that most sales on here are not to willingly screw the next person over ... but shit does happen in people's lives. A disclaimer or note of warning should be made on every cell phone sale stating that the buyer is well aware of the risks associated with a cell phone purchase on contract and the risk will lay with them. Also like someone also mentioned in the template to state if it is a contract phone or not
 
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Hmmmm, maybe those who get the phone in contract who are willing to should let the buyer pays the money into their contract instead of to them, that way if they default, they're most likely defaulting on their airtime/data portion and not the phone portion.

But there are people that actually take a contract then sell the phone as a way of getting instant cash as a loan. No interest on the loan technically as you're just paying back the contract and you get airtime/data/etc.

But yeah, I've always been skeptical about buying a phone off someone on contract and the risk of it getting blacklisted down the line.



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Hmmmm, maybe those who get the phone in contract who are willing to should let the buyer pays the money into their contract instead of to them, that way if they default, they're most likely defaulting on their airtime/data portion and not the phone portion.

But there are people that actually take a contract then sell the phone as a way of getting instant cash as a loan. No interest on the loan technically as you're just paying back the contract and you get airtime/data/etc.

But yeah, I've always been skeptical about buying a phone off someone on contract and the risk of it getting blacklisted down the line.



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I'd assume if buyer wants to consider the approach of doing a capital down-payment on the device via the networks billing, then seller might just as well have taken a sim only deal and be left in the same position that the down-payment would achieve.

So aside from buyer getting a phone at a discounted price vs a store cash bought phone, I'd assume most sales are with the intention of seller getting a large cash inflow once off.
 

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Whilst the contract has a phone and service portion charge even if you decide to pay just for the device portion it still will not exempt you from any risk ... if the user defaults on that portion of the deal the service provider will still see it as the contract is not paid up and will (in the case of Vodacom) blacklist the phone. They will not be interested in any deal you struck with the seller

also no seller or reseller can guarantee the phone won't be blacklisted if on a contract. That's like saying they have a magic ball that can look into the future.

The only way they can assure you of this is if they have money in a finance asset that is paying for the phone and that they can't touch before that contract on the phone expires (and let's be honest no one does this) ... in the end if you willing to take the risk buying a phone that's still on contract know that if anything goes wrong the risk lies with the you ... I am learning and I thought it wise others know as well
 

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Whilst the contract has a phone and service portion charge even if you decide to pay just for the device portion it still will not exempt you from any risk ... if the user defaults on that portion of the deal the service provider will still see it as the contract is not paid up and will (in the case of Vodacom) blacklist the phone. They will not be interested in any deal you struck with the seller

also no seller or reseller can guarantee the phone won't be blacklisted if on a contract. That's like saying they have a magic ball that can look into the future.

The only way they can assure you of this is if they have money in a finance asset that is paying for the phone and that they can't touch before that contract on the phone expires (and let's be honest no one does this) ... in the end if you willing to take the risk buying a phone that's still on contract know that if anything goes wrong the risk lies with the you ... I am learning and I thought it wise others know as well
Sounds safer to import a device and deal with RMA if anything goes wrong then. Think I'm a stick to that option from now on.

Would be great if we could just get decent cellular providers who didn't milk us of every cent wherever they can.
 

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In my personal opinion and of which I have bought over 100k worth of phones on this forum from people I have never met in my life yet stuck to their word on end is more valueable to me then most sellers on everything else advertised these days

3 points will be made crystal clear :

1 . You went to the retail store voda mtn telkom cellc saw price of device and walked out cause no fucking bargains !

2. The chance /risk you take on buying a contract based device is yours nobody put a gun on your head to buy it

3. The price you got on forum vs retail come on everyone knows a bargain if you saving a few grand so stop acting dumb :)
 

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In my personal opinion and of which I have bought over 100k worth of phones on this forum from people I have never met in my life yet stuck to their word on end is more valueable to me then most sellers on everything else advertised these days

3 points will be made crystal clear :

1 . You went to the retail store voda mtn telkom cellc saw price of device and walked out cause no fucking bargains !

2. The chance /risk you take on buying a contract based device is yours nobody put a gun on your head to buy it

3. The price you got on forum vs retail come on everyone knows a bargain if you saving a few grand so stop acting dumb :)
true no one is putting a guy to your head to buy the phone ... but if things go south ... and one day you got a job and next day not. life happens ... just be willing to accept the consequences that even legally you have little ground to stand on. I personally from here on will avoid contract phones. Just too much of a ball ache to save a few rands
 

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Sounds safer to import a device and deal with RMA if anything goes wrong then. Think I'm a stick to that option from now on.

Would be great if we could just get decent cellular providers who didn't milk us of every cent wherever they can.
just like OEM car dealerships ... most people just worry about what they paying monthly and don't care about the actual retail on the car. Same with phones.
 

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Can the contract not be signed over to person X? Just not sure then what benefit there is to the seller... Buyer might aswell go sign a contract...

I'v always believed in not paying off tech (had a few contracts in the past but now I strictly buy phones $ & use PAYG & month to month sim only deals.

If you cant justify the $ / can't afford it outright, move along. Debt is for either an education, property or proven business. Yes , there are situations where one HAS to pay something off IE car was stolen & there is no capital to buy a replacement cash, but I'd like to think those situations are don't apply to 50% of SA citizens over their lifes.
 

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Sounds safer to import a device and deal with RMA if anything goes wrong then. Think I'm a stick to that option from now on.
My thoughts exactly. Id rather risk importing a device then buying a contract phone.
 

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Look at my situation. I bought a phone via Facebook and sold it later to a carb member. It was sold to me as an unwanted gift. Month later the phone gets blacklisted. As luck has it I wasn't in a financial situation to refund it and members were jumping on the wagon "ahhh you must be a crook"..aaahh rest of your threads are a scam..and so it went on. But the guy I sold the phone to eventually sent the phone back and within 24hrs he got his money back...so lesson learned..do not buy phones that's a great deal..just rather import it
 

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I pretty much expect that someone who uses a phone contract as a loan vehicle will default on a contract... unless I personally know the seller, there’s zero chance I’d buy a “new, sealed” contract phone from them, and even then it would be a risk since, as Adam says, kak things happen to people.
 

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I pretty much expect that someone who uses a phone contract as a loan vehicle will default on a contract... unless I personally know the seller, there’s zero chance I’d buy a “new, sealed” contract phone from them, and even then it would be a risk since, as Adam says, kak things happen to people.
everytime I bought a phone that was on contract I made sure all paperwork was in order. ID included. I also thought that if a person defaults the service provider would follow the rule of the land where court Sheriff's get involved to attach stuff etc etc ... not blacklist a phone as I thought that was only when phones got stolen.

fast forward to now and I personally feel the risk is too great. Even if it is from someone good and you trust. Kak happens. So far I have only seen Vodacom phones where this happens. but I personally won't touch a phone that's still on contract
 

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