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Honestly, I prefer heated aluminium over heated plastic - but that's just me.

Bialetti is the most readily available, so might as well.

They've got a few options if you feel like you don't just want the classic.
This one intrigued me:

But I'm also saving up for a lever machine (keeping my eyes open on auctions as well).
Like you said, the vintage aspect really appeals to me and they also last for years because of the simple, yet robust, designs.

My dream machine for later in life is the Olympia Cremina, but I'll actually settle for any other quality lever machine :)
The idea of having full control over my shots really appeals to me - steaming milk is the easy part, but really getting that perfect extraction is like CUD (I wanted to say like a bassist's quest for "that tone", but on Carb everyone understands CUD :LOL:)

And we can definitely chat toward the end of the year for the course. :)
 

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The coffee CUD is nibbling...

I have a Breville ESP8 that I bought second hand for R650 in 2012 and it's still serving me very well - probably averaging 10 cups a week.

I'm beginning to realise that I'm not doing it justice by using pre-ground woolies coffee. I know! I know...
Keen to switch to beans, but I don't have a grinder; only one of those generic "grinders" that actually chops instead of grinding. I also have one of these but manually grinding coffee is something I can really only do after I've had a cup of coffee :|

Can one go under R1000 for a grinder? I was looking at this - am I buying a potato?

Edit - Also have an Aeropress so being able to change the grind would be a winner.
 

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The coffee CUD is nibbling...

I have a Breville ESP8 that I bought second hand for R650 in 2012 and it's still serving me very well - probably averaging 10 cups a week.

I'm beginning to realise that I'm not doing it justice by using pre-ground woolies coffee. I know! I know...
Keen to switch to beans, but I don't have a grinder; only one of those generic "grinders" that actually chops instead of grinding. I also have one of these but manually grinding coffee is something I can really only do after I've had a cup of coffee :|

Can one go under R1000 for a grinder? I was looking at this - am I buying a potato?

Edit - Also have an Aeropress so being able to change the grind would be a winner.

That looks like a pretty nice grinder actually. Never heard of it before as I tend to look at bigger burr grinders, but it looks like it might have burrs. If you're on a budget, go for it - it will definitely be better than a blade grinder and you'll be able to adjust the grind :)

However, look at the video below for optimal use of a blade grinder (although, I would rather go with your hand grinder to save time):

I reference to him a lot as he was the World Barista Champion in 2007 and his videos are excellent.

Also, have a look at the Used Coffee Equipment Group on Facebook - a lot of grinders and machines are getting sold due to places closing down.
You might find a good deal on a small industrial-grade grinder.
 

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For those looking for a good dark roast, this is excellent and works well in super automatics. Price is also good, I purchased it from Ciro boutique for R430 a while ago.
 

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The coffee CUD is nibbling...

I have a Breville ESP8 that I bought second hand for R650 in 2012 and it's still serving me very well - probably averaging 10 cups a week.

I'm beginning to realise that I'm not doing it justice by using pre-ground woolies coffee. I know! I know...
Keen to switch to beans, but I don't have a grinder; only one of those generic "grinders" that actually chops instead of grinding. I also have one of these but manually grinding coffee is something I can really only do after I've had a cup of coffee :|

Can one go under R1000 for a grinder? I was looking at this - am I buying a potato?

Edit - Also have an Aeropress so being able to change the grind would be a winner.
I was looking for grinders recently as well. I ended up not buying that Melitta for some reason. I think because only Yuppiechef had stock and it was more expensive than the Krups grinder I ended up getting on Takealot (but now that one is out of stock lol).

These cheap grinders are fine, I reckon. You won't necessarily get a 100% consistent grind but it's better than a blade grinder. You also have the added convenience of having your coffee "stored" in the bean hopper, and a number-of-cups selection knob, so you don't have to scoop out of the bag each time.

My main complaint with the Krups is it doesn't get quite coarse enough for my french press even on the coarsest setting. Not sure if the Melitta is better. I know there is a Taurus grinder that is better for coarse coffee but I only ever saw it on ODO.
 

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i see everyone talking about blade grinders and i start to wonder what I've done to myself, I've been saving up for the Comandante hand grinder because I feel like my existing grinder just doesn't cut it. Whenever I buy beans, I taste them at the roaster first, and then struggle to replicate the cup at home, which is frustrating. I'm sure I'm setting myself up for failure though, no way can i match the R35k grinder sitting on the shop counter.
The comandante is pricey, but I'm pretty sure it will immediately promote me to Hipster Level 5 and increase my rep among the coffee nerds ;)
Will be selling the old grinder (Gaggia MDF) once it arrives so hmu if you need one.
 

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@goldfritter and @nster101

If it were me, I'd invest a little bit more in a good burr-grinder than a good machine.
Both of you mentioned the consistency of the grind and not being able to reproduce it at home - hypothetically, you can have a R80k espresso machine and a R1k grinder and the extraction will be unbearable, but buy a R10k grinder and a R10k machine, and you'll be satisfied for years to come :) (y)

Watch this video to give you an idea of what I'm saying - he's using a good grinder with those machines and getting good coffee on SOME of them ;)


I really recommend you guys join the Used Coffee Equipment SA group on Facebook if you can - below are just a few screenshots of deals on there (especially for you @nster101 who is looking for a grinder around the R4-5k range) and I would rather buy a good second hand industrial grinder grinder than a new one at the same price (servicing and repairs are usually under R1000 should something serious happen, but they are generally very robust).







(just edited the names out as it is a closed group - but you'll get accepted anyhow)
 

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@goldfritter and @nster101

If it were me, I'd invest a little bit more in a good burr-grinder than a good machine.
Both of you mentioned the consistency of the grind and not being able to reproduce it at home - hypothetically, you can have a R80k espresso machine and a R1k grinder and the extraction will be unbearable, but buy a R10k grinder and a R10k machine, and you'll be satisfied for years to come :) (y)

Watch this video to give you an idea of what I'm saying - he's using a good grinder with those machines and getting good coffee on SOME of them ;)


I really recommend you guys join the Used Coffee Equipment SA group on Facebook if you can - below are just a few screenshots of deals on there (especially for you @nster101 who is looking for a grinder around the R4-5k range) and I would rather buy a good second hand industrial grinder grinder than a new one at the same price (servicing and repairs are usually under R1000 should something serious happen, but they are generally very robust).







(just edited the names out as it is a closed group - but you'll get accepted anyhow)
Thanks for the recommendation! I actually am not a big fan of espresso for day to day coffee drinking, because I don't like milk drinks. What I really need is a good portable grinder for aeropress and V60s, which is why I've decided on the Comandante.
When not in lockdown, I travel a lot between JHB and PTA so i need to keep my coffee setup mobile. Scale, grinder, beans and aeropress == happiness wherever I go ;) .

What you mentioned about a good burr grinder, I agree completely. In some cases, if you are able to travel to your roaster once per week, it might be a good idea to have a week's worth of beans preground for your brew method, rather than attempting to grind on those low quality "false burr" grinders.

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Incidentally, if anyone is looking to upgrade from a blade grinder and needs a decent burr grinder, I'm selling mine
 

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Thanks for the recommendation! I actually am not a big fan of espresso for day to day coffee drinking, because I don't like milk drinks. What I really need is a good portable grinder for aeropress and V60s, which is why I've decided on the Comandante.
When not in lockdown, I travel a lot between JHB and PTA so i need to keep my coffee setup mobile. Scale, grinder, beans and aeropress == happiness wherever I go ;) .

What you mentioned about a good burr grinder, I agree completely. In some cases, if you are able to travel to your roaster once per week, it might be a good idea to have a week's worth of beans preground for your brew method, rather than attempting to grind on those low quality "false burr" grinders.

EDIT:

Incidentally, if anyone is looking to upgrade from a blade grinder and needs a decent burr grinder, I'm selling mine
Ooh I may take you up on that. As I said I was a tad disappointed with the Krups. A few questions (and thanks for bearing with my noobiness) -
- Do you reckon the grind will be more consistent than with my cheapie?
- Is there a coarse enough setting for french press?
- How do I control the amount of coffee that comes out?
- What does it grind into? Does it have a container for ground coffee or do I need an espresso machine doser? Can I just hold a bowl or something under it :ROFLMAO:
 

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Agree with @WhoIsJOB on a good quality grinder.

If I may use the illustration of photography, your grinder is like your camera lens, if you invest in a good quality glass your photos really come to life. Of course, just like the photographer with the manual settings, you need to know your story with the grinding as well as the quality of your beans so that your end result will be good.

Doesn't help you have all this nice gear but actually you don't know how to use them.
 

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Ooh I may take you up on that. As I said I was a tad disappointed with the Krups. A few questions (and thanks for bearing with my noobiness) -
- Do you reckon the grind will be more consistent than with my cheapie?
- Is there a coarse enough setting for french press?
- How do I control the amount of coffee that comes out?
- What does it grind into? Does it have a container for ground coffee or do I need an espresso machine doser? Can I just hold a bowl or something under it :ROFLMAO:
It gets pretty coarse, there are 32 grind settings I think. Espresso is generally around a 5, I grind for Aeropress at 19).
You control it with the doser, you flick the paddle and +- 7g comes out.
however, I prefer to use a scale and single dose into the machine, then just tap the paddle until I’ve got everything out.

It grinds into the doser, and then I have a small bowl which fits perfectly into the portafilter holder, which I dose into.

From what I’ve see, most cheap Krups grinders have “false burrs”, which a quick google will tell you are no good. Not sure about the model you have though.
 

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It gets pretty coarse, there are 32 grind settings I think. Espresso is generally around a 5, I grind for Aeropress at 19).
You control it with the doser, you flick the paddle and +- 7g comes out.
however, I prefer to use a scale and single dose into the machine, then just tap the paddle until I’ve got everything out.

It grinds into the doser, and then I have a small bowl which fits perfectly into the portafilter holder, which I dose into.

From what I’ve see, most cheap Krups grinders have “false burrs”, which a quick google will tell you are no good. Not sure about the model you have though.
Well in that case. PM incoming :)
 

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Here is my current coffee setup. Must say I am really impressed with the Timemore. Had a Rhinoware grinder and this is to me such a big step up.

I am enjoying the Gegrond coffee atm but looking for some other suggestions. Any roasters you guys can recommend?




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I went down this very slippery slope recently after tasting coffee at a friends house. He has a stupidly expensive Slayer coffee machine that makes the best coffee I have every had, bar none. Obviously there is technique, bean, grind etc to consider as well as the machine. There is also a special function that most cheaper machines do not have and that is pre-brew which wets the coffee first and allows the ground coffee to bloom before it is pressed through the grind.


I eventually went for a middle of the range machine in the Nuova Simonelli Oscar II (I found it on special on Amazon COUK so didn't pay that much for it)


And a Eureka Mignon Specialita grinder which allows you to adjust the courseness and grind time which allows consistency.


I also tried about 10 different beans of medium roast from many places like Panama, Kenya, Brazil etc but landed up settling on a small batch farmer from Rwanda and I think I have worked out the grind perfectly ( RWANDA HUYE MOUNTAIN (LOT 337) - RWANDA ). Incidentally, one of the worst roasts I tried was the original Seattle Coffee company roast, it is supposed to be medium roast but it is dark, almost charcoal and tastes really bitter.

The latest item I have added to my kit is a naked porta filter which I am still waiting on delivery.

A great roastery in SA is Truth Coffee in Cape Town, they were voted best coffee house in the world a few years ago.
 
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I went down this very slippery slope recently after tasting coffee at a friends house. He has a stupidly expensive Slayer coffee machine that makes the best coffee I have every had, bar none.
A great roastery in SA is Truth Coffee in Cape Town, they were voted best coffee house in the world a few years ago.
Slayer makes killer coffee machines - my dream to own one some day.
I almost pulled the trigger on a La Pavoni Europiccola for R11,5k, but decided I'll spoil myself when I have my own place.
You can actually get manual pre-infusion with any lever machine and some electronic ones as well, though I don't know which models support it to be honest :)

Coffee I can wholeheartedly recommend in Cape Town/Boland area is Origin, Deluxe and Terbodore.
Truth is a great experience and atmosphere, but the coffee itself tastes a little bland for me (personal opinion).
Jeffrey's Bay has First Light Coffee Roaster, which is one of my favourites

(I always stop by there during the J-Bay Open) and they deliver as well if I'm not mistaken.
I have my own blend made by Conti coffee and for me it's the best I've had (blend of Guatemala, Ethiopia and Indonesia origins).
 

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Mornin ladies

So picked up my first "proper" coffee machine on Friday, a Breville Cafe Venezia.
I know its a baby and not expecting the worlds best coffee but one has to start somewhere.

So i have some questions for the knowledgeable ones here.

1 - Is there a better way to make the coffee hotter? I am heating the cups before but i find as soon as i add the milk (cold) it completely drinkable and not hot any more.

2 - I'm obviously looking for a burr grinder and the budget will allow for either of the below:

3 - I find that the coffee doesn't seem to come out of the portafilter, not sure if that is usual but it definitely favours the one side.

Am sure i will have more questions going forward.

TIA
 

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I bought one of these a few months ago.


It took a while to understand how to "calibrate" it every time I changed to a different bean type but once I got that figured out, it's awesome. I use it mainly to make americanos with the odd cappuccino here and there.

It's not cheap but I'm sure that if I look after it, I'll never have to buy another coffee machine ever again.
 

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Mornin ladies

So picked up my first "proper" coffee machine on Friday, a Breville Cafe Venezia.
I know its a baby and not expecting the worlds best coffee but one has to start somewhere.

So i have some questions for the knowledgeable ones here.

1 - Is there a better way to make the coffee hotter? I am heating the cups before but i find as soon as i add the milk (cold) it completely drinkable and not hot any more.

2 - I'm obviously looking for a burr grinder and the budget will allow for either of the below:

3 - I find that the coffee doesn't seem to come out of the portafilter, not sure if that is usual but it definitely favours the one side.

Am sure i will have more questions going forward.

TIA

James Hoffman just released a video about the kind of burr grinder you are looking at. Give it a watch before you make a decision about your grinder
 

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James Hoffman just released a video about the kind of burr grinder you are looking at. Give it a watch before you make a decision about your grinder

Hay bud, thanks for the link and a very good video.
Just only concern is, as someone commented on the video, is his view not slightly skewed due to his gifted tongue.
Wove to spend 5-6k on a grinder but seems a bit counter intuitive on a machine that i spent a grand on.

Anyone have any suggestions on an affordable grinder that won't break the bank but will also offer the flexibility between different brewing methods?
 
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Wove to spend 5-6k on a grinder but seems a bit counter intuitive on a machine that i spent a grand on.

Anyone have any suggestions on an affordable grinder that won't break the bank but will also offer the flexibility between different brewing methods?

Try the Melitta...I'm not too sure about Krupps, but the Melitta has good reviews.

However, if I were in your situation, I would look for a second hand industrial-type grinder (Used Coffee Equipment SA on Facebook) around the R3k-R4k mark - then you have a good grinder for the long term when (when, not if ;) ) you decide to upgrade your espresso machine to a higher performance one :)

Just my 2 cents... :)
 

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Try the Melitta...I'm not too sure about Krupps, but the Melitta has good reviews.

However, if I were in your situation, I would look for a second hand industrial-type grinder (Used Coffee Equipment SA on Facebook) around the R3k-R4k mark - then you have a good grinder for the long term when (when, not if ;) ) you decide to upgrade your espresso machine to a higher performance one :)

Just my 2 cents... :)
I'll hva e a look but went through there yesterday and didn't see anything in the price range.
If you happen across one, do let me know if you have a minute.

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Hay bud, thanks for the link and a very good video.
Just only concern is, as someone commented on the video, is his view not slightly skewed due to his gifted tongue.
Wove to spend 5-6k on a grinder but seems a bit counter intuitive on a machine that i spent a grand on.

Anyone have any suggestions on an affordable grinder that won't break the bank but will also offer the flexibility between different brewing methods?
I’d pick up a hand grinder, I have a comandante which is pricey, but the cheaper Timemore C1/C2 or G1 is a good grinder

edit: his gifted tongue is a factor, but ability to taste is something that can be developed. If you spend enough time and actually think about the coffee you are drinking, you will begin to develop your palate, and a poor grinder won’t help you do that
 
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Cupping for the 2nd day of my SCA barista course today, it’s hella fun.
Also the Diego Samuel Bermudez Hyperprocessed Y05 is probably the most amazing coffee I’ve ever tasted. If you are able, go past Father Coffee and try it out.

(coffees left to right: Las Palmas El Salvador (Father), Kenya Kamwangi AB (BlueBird), Kenya Ndaroini (Espressolab), Eli Espinoza Peru(Father), Diego Sam. Bermudez Hyperprocessed Columbia (Father)
 

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This thread may make me visit Carb a bit more often. 😅

I bought one of the Melitta grinders from Takealot a while ago. I'm happy with it - to my untrained eye the grind is fairly consistent, and it can grind finer than my poor Russell Hobbs espresso maker can handle. Its plastic construction makes it charge up quite a bit of static, so the coffee does cling to it. They give you a small brush to brush off the last bit of coffee, but I don't bother with that - the little bit that stays behind will probably end up in the next brew, and I'm sure that it won't make enough of a difference for me to taste.

No idea if other grinders have it, but one thing that I would have like to see is "dry-run protection". It doesn't know when the beans have run out, and then the revs climb pretty high. Pics to follow in a next post.
 

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