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I'm an owner of the East London Coffee Company, though arguably its my dads passion project. I do very little other than help roast beans and make a few sales from time to time (with my other job taking all my time). Hopefully I can impart some of the basic advice I've learnt over time. Any more in-depth questions, I'd have to ask my dad (he's a big connoisseur when it comes to coffee). We import raw coffee beans, roast them ourselves and supply to a lot of cafe's and shops in the area. We also ship all over SA. We are also reps for Jura coffee machines (which I really like, though I'm probably biased) which we sell or rent to businesses.

1. Coffee pods are a complete waste of money
Not only do they contribute a huge amount of plastic waste, the price you pay per pod is ridiculous. If you do the maths, buying a cheap-o pod maker, but then include the price of pods over time, you are way better off getting a nice bean-to-cup machine, and going with the more traditional, and flavorful coffee. The only nice thing about pods is the different flavors, if that's what you're in to, but then I dont know why you'd be in a "proper coffee" thread.

2. Stove-top espresso makers and french-press's are woefully underrated
Not only are they relatively cheap, but if used correctly, the extraction ratio of coffee from the grounds is really really good. Better than most coffee machines, aside from those expensive barista machines. Couple them with some freshly ground beans, and you cant go wrong. These are the cheapest way to enjoy good coffee. The only downside is it takes more time than a machine to get your coffee fix than a simple button push. Learning how to use a French Press properly is important; a lot of people get this wrong. In terms of bean-top-cup machines, I'm quite fond of what Jura has to offer. Expensive, but worth it, and the support they give is fantastic.

3. Freshly roasted > all else
I cant emphasize the importance of fresh coffee beans enough. The quality of the coffee taste rapidly decreases over time. Grounds are especially susceptible to this, as the surface area is exposed to air for far longer, reducing the strength of the coffee. When buying a bag of coffee grounds, try get something that was recently ground, and not sitting on the shelf for a week. A good idea would be to buy a bag of beans instead, and grinding them at home before use. The beans are also susceptible to strength degradation over time, but not nearly as bad as grounds. Buy beans, put them in a bean-to-cup, or grind them at home for a french press/espresso maker, or even filter coffee pot, and you will have good results.

There are so many more things to talk about, but I dont want this to turn in to an essay. Its important to note that not all beans are created equal (Robusta vs Arabica), and not all roasting profiles are the same. You would be shocked to learn how many coffee places over-roast their beans for more of the traditional "coffee taste" when in actual fact they're just burnt beans.
Also, be aware of some of the pop-up local hipster-ish places. A lot of the time they arent great, and are quite expensive. People buy-in to the whole aesthetic more than the coffee itself *cough* deluxe coffee works *cough*. We do a lot of blind taste-tests with customers/shop owners that swear by some of their favorite brands, only to pick our beans on top without knowing. Not tooting our own horn here (maybe a little), but its just proof that so many people buy into brand rather than the coffee itself.
Thanks for the info, will checkout your store. I need to pickup some Claris smart filters. Which beans would you recommend I try?
I purchased a Saeco minuto a few years ago, I thought it brewed a really nice cup of coffee till I got the Jura machine. It's incredible the difference in taste using the same beans I always have.

I see the current price of the E8 post covid is R23000 :eek: I remember checking in December and it was around R18 000.
Even the Claris filters lol R170, R230 seems to be the new normal.
 

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Any recommendations on good medium roast beans, so far I've been using truth resurrection, woolies organic espresso and Lavazza super crema. All really good but surely there are inexpensive beans that taste just as good?

I picked up a Jura E8 machine off Gumtree for 5k last year, insanely good deal. The only 'problem' is the cup tray has a bunch of scratches on it from use but otherwise it's perfect. Had it serviced etc the guy told me the metal piece I'd like to replace to make the machine look brand new is R800, eff that.
I'm sure you can get something to buff the scratches out with. Maybe some silvo and some fine scotch pad.
 

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I'm thinking of getting an Aeropress, but what do you guys do for milk frothing as I like cappuccinos.
 

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Thanks for that very informative reply @LukeHawk. Can learn a thing or two from that. A great statement of the stove-top espresso makers and french press, totally agree.

Going back to my old school statement, I used a cheap Russell Hobbs blade grinder which really wasn't a nice experience. I then switched over to my grandpa's old coffee grinder the manual way. Now it turned into my coffee ritual!

I use a mixture of the Breakfast Blend and Mocha Java from Woolies. Quite happy with the taste, does have a semi-woody after taste but I'll take that every day above the acidy taste that some beans have.

I would like to invest in a stove-top espresso to switch it up a bit from time-to-time.

But, I still enjoy a bit of milk in my coffee - haven't gotten so far to go full black as yet. I do however join my friend with this espresso when I am over at his house.

I just like that creamy flavour with the coffee, I think that's why I enjoy Seattle's cappuccinos so much. So good!
I'm the same. I still like a dash of milk sometimes, but when I'm at my dads house, I go neat. He's got such an insane setup going on (Casadio Undici S2o_O).
Also, I agree with Seattle. Out of all the little coffee chains, Seattle is also my favorite.

Thanks for the info, will checkout your store. I need to pickup some Claris smart filters. Which beans would you recommend I try?
I purchased a Saeco minuto a few years ago, I thought it brewed a really nice cup of coffee till I got the Jura machine. It's incredible the difference in taste using the same beans I always have.

I see the current price of the E8 post covid is R23000 :eek: I remember checking in December and it was around R18 000.
Even the Claris filters lol R170, R230 seems to be the new normal.
Thanks! Excuse the online site. My dad made it in his spare time (quite impressive for 65!) But I havent had time to assist him with a new one yet. Its very early 2000's and hard to navigate :ROFLMAO:

In terms of beans, I way prefer Arabica over Robusta beans, and preferably a dark roast. Woolworths beans are actually pretty good, albeit a bit pricey.

We supply to OK, Checkers, Spar, etc. Though I suspect only in the Eastern Cape, I'll have to confirm. Feel free to drop an email to us at any time. Jura's prices are pretty steep yeah, especially now. But we sometimes have refurbished/demo models going for some really good prices.
You could always just go for an E6 if it meets your needs (16-17k I think). Ive got an old E6 at home, still going strong.
 

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I'm the same. I still like a dash of milk sometimes, but when I'm at my dads house, I go neat. He's got such an insane setup going on (Casadio Undici S2o_O).
Also, I agree with Seattle. Out of all the little coffee chains, Seattle is also my favorite.



Thanks! Excuse the online site. My dad made it in his spare time (quite impressive for 65!) But I havent had time to assist him with a new one yet. Its very early 2000's and hard to navigate :ROFLMAO:

In terms of beans, I way prefer Arabica over Robusta beans, and preferably a dark roast. Woolworths beans are actually pretty good, albeit a bit pricey.

We supply to OK, Checkers, Spar, etc. Though I suspect only in the Eastern Cape, I'll have to confirm. Feel free to drop an email to us at any time. Jura's prices are pretty steep yeah, especially now. But we sometimes have refurbished/demo models going for some really good prices.
You could always just go for an E6 if it meets your needs (16-17k I think). Ive got an old E6 at home, still going strong.
I've got an E8, I picked up 2nd hand for 5k in decemeber :) I like how it's practically zero maintainance with regard to cleaning etc.. Have you tried truth coffee ressurection blend? They are based in Capetown.
 

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I've got an E8, I picked up 2nd hand for 5k in decemeber :) I like how it's practically zero maintainance with regard to cleaning etc.. Have you tried truth coffee ressurection blend? They are based in Capetown.
Oh nice, and that was a steal of a price.
I personally havent tried Truth, but I have heard of them, and a lot of people like them, so they could be good! The only thing I dont like about Truth coffee is how they sucker cafe's/customers that need a machine for their business by suckering them into these long expensive rental plans and force them to use their beans only in the machine, or they take the machine back, and dont provide very good service. I dont fully remember what the deal was like, but a few cafe owners I know have problems with them, and I was shocked at the contracts they signed. As far as the beans though, I'm not sure!
 

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Any recommendations on good medium roast beans, so far I've been using truth resurrection, woolies organic espresso and Lavazza super crema. All really good but surely there are inexpensive beans that taste just as good?

I picked up a Jura E8 machine off Gumtree for 5k last year, insanely good deal. The only 'problem' is the cup tray has a bunch of scratches on it from use but otherwise it's perfect. Had it serviced etc the guy told me the metal piece I'd like to replace to make the machine look brand new is R800, eff that.
R8 a day for 100 days and you have the piece, it would absolutely drive me insane having to look at scratches EVERY time I go make a cup of joe
 

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I'm thinking of getting an Aeropress, but what do you guys do for milk frothing as I like cappuccinos.
a french press, filled 1/3 with hot milk, pump it without pulling the mesh completely out of the milk, it will froth up and can be silky smooth for cappucinos, even latte art is possible
 

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My new item has arrived. The Moccamaster One Cup. Always wanted one :)

Switch it on, makes one cup of filter, switches itself off.



 

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I am jealous just looking at those pictures, nice job guys!

Coffee is looking great!
 

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R8 a day for 100 days and you have the piece, it would absolutely drive me insane having to look at scratches EVERY time I go make a cup of joe
Lol it's not so much about not having the cash, as it is absolutely ridiculously over priced.



That's the silver piece, it's a relatively thin cover for R800. It's fine I just try not to look :p
 

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