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The Days of our Lives (Ampere edition)! overclocking, benchmarking, bitch fights, mtondos, warranties and not much gaming ...

Will you be buying an Nvidia 3000 series card?


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I genuinly think the play is too just wait if you are aiming for 4k 144hz
the 3090 is too overpriced and the 3080 wont cut it
 

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I genuinly think the play is too just wait if you are aiming for 4k 144hz
the 3090 is too overpriced and the 3080 wont cut it
The last time we spoke about this in like February, didnt you say you were borrowing the 4k 144Hz screen or something?
 

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This whole crashing thing is for me somewhat surprising. Look I do not have a ton of games on my system, only Doom Eternal which runs without any issues. WHat I find strange is that from what I have read, some people resolve the issue by down clocking their card. Why I find this strange is if you take the power limit on this card, to even hold clocks above 2000mhz you need more than 400 watt for a power limit. The highest average clocks I've seen during a 3dmark Time Spy run was 2155mhz but I had to overclock the card for an effective speed of 2190mhz to even get that. Now understand, it says average clocks and as such these clocks would have dipped maybe even to below 1900mhz during the run.

To do some further tests I downloaded 3dmark 03 and 3dmark 05 just to see what the card would do. The joke is the results I got was not bad but the card did not even heat up if any. I mean my gpu overclock to 2170mhz was sitting there right through the entire run of 03 and 05. Now this is obviously not very straining on the card taken that the card does not even heat up.

Now I do realise that if or when I can finally get a bios and be able to update it on the card for say a 500watt power limit, the overclock I'm running will not be stable and I'll need to start from scratch to see what would work.
 

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Crashing aside ... Good to see which of the AIBs cheap out and which go the extra mile with components... like we see here for example the use of which caps to use in their cards

That Asus tuff really the pick of the 3080s 6x mlcc caps

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Okay after watching the Jayz2cents video regarding these failures and seeing on my card's backplate that I cannot see the power dellivery caps on the back as the backplate is covering it, I decided to remove the back plate. Had to leave one screw with sticker on in but at least when removing the other screws I was able to just shift it over. Then I found my card do in fact have one array of 10 of the more expensive caps. Nice, not too bad then.
 

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Okay after watching the Jayz2cents video regarding these failures and seeing on my card's backplate that I cannot see the power dellivery caps on the back as the backplate is covering it, I decided to remove the back plate. Had to leave one screw with sticker on in but at least when removing the other screws I was able to just shift it over. Then I found my card do in fact have one array of 10 of the more expensive caps. Nice, not too bad then.
There are 6 of those caps. How many of the ceramic caps (mlcc) group calls does your card have?

Edit nevermind ... I read it again. So one bank of the mlcc

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There are 6 of those caps. How many of the ceramic caps (mlcc) group calls does your card have?

Edit nevermind ... I read it again. So one bank of the mlcc

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Yes, so in between the larger caps there is one array of 10 of the smaller more expensive caps. Which is probably why I've clocked this card up to 2145 to 2160mhz without an issue.
 

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Yes, so in between the larger caps there is one array of 10 of the smaller more expensive caps. Which is probably why I've clocked this card up to 2145 to 2160mhz without an issue.

my card also run stress tests without an issue. Try real in game test, especially one of the following games and monitor the boost clock

horizon dawn
ac odyssey
 

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my card also run stress tests without an issue. Try real in game test, especially one of the following games and monitor the boost clock

horizon dawn
ac odyssey
Don't have those games and not interested in them. Busy downloading Shadown of Tomb Raider now. Will test with that. I know Doom Eternal runs without an issue. Monitoring clocks would do nothing as you are limited with 350watt of power so clocks would drop into the 1900 sometimes even 1800 easily.
 

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The Master

Also the Zotac cards have 6 SP caps, while the Palit Pro OC has 5 SP Caps and one MLCC, so already an improvement from Palit.
However most isses happen at around 2000Mhz and generally speaking the Palits average load clocks are around 1800-1850Mhz
 
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Rethinking my logic here which is not what Jay2 cents is saying. Yes while higher frequencies equal more noise and looking at what a capacitor does is simply store energy .These cheaper caps leak energy at higher frequency thus the card not having the adequate power and hence the crash. Its the exact same symptom like having a weak psu. You will have a crash

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He keeps on talking about stock clocks and that 2ghz is an oc. His whole argument is about what its called. It semantics. Its a boost clock, not an oc.

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These boost clocks are not equal for all AIBs, hence, either manufacturers need to do a firmware update, or Nvidia needs to rewrite the boost table for cards less adequate for it. He is right in saying so, it is an OC per say.

They work flawless on the FE editions but that doesn't mean it will for others.

And yes he does get carried away, dude spoke ten mins just about what the caps are called 😂😂😂 it's why I love him
 

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These boost clocks are not equal for all AIBs, hence, either manufacturers need to do a firmware update, or Nvidia needs to rewrite the boost table for cards less adequate for it. He is right in saying so, it is an OC per say.

They work flawless on the FE editions but that doesn't mean it will for others.

And yes he does get carried away, dude spoke ten mins just about what the caps are called 😂😂😂 it's why I love him
Yup, I had to love how upset he got about them calling it POSCAPS....... classic
 

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Getting some strange behaviour wwith my palit 3080, at stock im not getting any crashes(thats good). increasing boost clock to +40 gives me a crash in certain games when it boosts to 2070mhz. getting 1860mhz in metro and over 2ghz in cod at the 320w power limit. increasing the power limit to 109% doesnt seem to do anything. power usage is stuck at 320w max and clocks are the same.
 

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Okay after watching the Jayz2cents video regarding these failures and seeing on my card's backplate that I cannot see the power dellivery caps on the back as the backplate is covering it, I decided to remove the back plate. Had to leave one screw with sticker on in but at least when removing the other screws I was able to just shift it over. Then I found my card do in fact have one array of 10 of the more expensive caps. Nice, not too bad then.
Which brand?
 

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Anyone else want a 3080 but doesn't really need it ?😆
These days I only play Apex and AOE2:DE and both are already maxed out at 1440p 155Hz. Still see myself checking for 3080 stock almost daily..
 

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Not a known YouTuber but to @D3adR4t for now try changing your boost curve for the clocks

We already know that downclocking by using a -50 to -75MHz offset works or that undervolting so your max boost is 50-75MHz lower works.
The point is it is faulty and workarounds like this shouldn't be needed.

Let's compare it to a car.
Say you buy a car that redlines at 6400rpm but when you hit 6000rpm the engine cuts out and leaves you grinding to a halt before you start up again.
You go to the dealership and they don't know why it's happened and say you must just not hit 6000rpm to prevent it happening.
Then the car manufacturer recalls the cars back to the dealership for an ECU update to "solve" the issue with a new rev limit to 5800rpm.
That's just unacceptable. You're losing performance because of crappy engineering.

This is EVGA's response.
Hi all,

Recently there has been some discussion about the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 series.

During our mass production QC testing we discovered a full 6 POSCAPs solution cannot pass the real world applications testing. It took almost a week of R&D effort to find the cause and reduce the POSCAPs to 4 and add 20 MLCC caps prior to shipping production boards, this is why the EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 series was delayed at launch. There were no 6 POSCAP production EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 FTW3 boards shipped.

But, due to the time crunch, some of the reviewers were sent a pre-production version with 6 POSCAP’s, we are working with those reviewers directly to replace their boards with production versions.
EVGA GeForce RTX 3080 XC3 series with 5 POSCAPs + 10 MLCC solution is matched with the XC3 spec without issues.


Also note that we have updated the product pictures at EVGA.com to reflect the production components that shipped to gamers and enthusiasts since day 1 of product launch.
Once you receive the card you can compare for yourself, EVGA stands behind its products!


Thanks
EVGA
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We already know that downclocking by using a -50 to -75MHz offset works or that undervolting so your max boost is 50-75MHz lower works.
The point is it is faulty and workarounds like this shouldn't be needed.

Let's compare it to a car.
Say you buy a car that redlines at 6400rpm but when you hit 6000rpm the engine cuts out and leaves you grinding to a halt before you start up again.
You go to the dealership and they don't know why it's happened and say you must just not hit 6000rpm to prevent it happening.
Then the car manufacturer recalls the cars back to the dealership for an ECU update to "solve" the issue with a new rev limit to 5800rpm.
That's just unacceptable. You're losing performance because of crappy engineering.

This is EVGA's response.

Source :
never said its a solution. For the interim. And in any event how much more performance uplift are people getting from 1950 to 2000 ?

I can bet aibs will send out a firmware update reducing that boost frequency or capping it ... That going to be the fix

And they can get away with it ... Because from a legal standpoint they did not say the card can do 2000mhz ...

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never said its a solution. For the interim. And in any event how much more performance uplift are people getting from 1950 to 2000 ?

I can bet aibs will send out a firmware update reducing that boost frequency or capping it ... That going to be the fix

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Yep, as JayZ said it's not really grounds for an RMA, only if the card is publicly advertised as a 2000mhz OC version do you have a leg to stand on. You're only guarenteed what the card is advertised for, so a firmware update is well within their rights.
 

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He keeps on talking about stock clocks and that 2ghz is an oc. His whole argument is about what its called. It semantics. Its a boost clock, not an oc.

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Yeah, I agree. I love the guy but it's an important point and he keeps stating this and it's simply incorrect. He is implying people are overclocking manually and so 2.0 Ghz and above stability issues are not Nvidia or the AIB's fault. Boost clock is done by the card when it has the headroom so this is an auto feature and is part of the package. So manually limiting the boost is not something an end user should be having to do or worrying about.

Of course this is still speculation but seems plausible. People are reporting crashes at lower boosts so it could be a number of factors both on a hardware and software level. How can the AIB partners test stability when they don't even have the Nvidia compatible driver until much later than usual. Most if not all of these issues would have been picked up and rectified if they had more time to do stringent testing .

I really think Nvidia rushed this release and quality control inevitably suffers. AIB's were given the flexibility to go with whatever configuration they wanted based on a reference design that Nvidia themselves didn't even use for their FE cards.
Seems Nvidia put their partners in a very difficult position and seeing Nvidia ultimately gives approval to all designs, they must be primarily held accountable for this problematic launch.
 

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Yep, as JayZ said it's not really grounds for an RMA, only if the card is publicly advertised as a 2000mhz OC version do you have a leg to stand on. You're only guarenteed what the card is advertised for, so a firmware update is well within their rights.
You and I are on the same frequency ... I would have asked you out a long time ago if you were a blonde 5"8 babe ...

I edited my post to say exactly that regarding rma

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