Tech Advise needed for a 2080 TI not posting

[CraigThePlague]

@Noxsion will you really be happy with a card that is "fixed" ? That fix can last a day or 2 and when it gives in again what then, i am sure you could have bought a card that didnt need "fixing".

From what i read middle man picked it up drive it to somewhere and then shipped it ? You not ship it from the start ?
Dont know if i am missing something here but i wouldnt have been happy with this deal at all.
If @Noxsion is happy with a fix card so be it but be carefull dude

It appears the middle man may have also done some assembly/ disassembly which changes the dynamic completely

 

[Oxcynorm]

It appears the middle man may have also done some assembly/ disassembly which changes the dynamic completely

Maybe but is it the buyers problem ?

 

[CraigThePlague]

Maybe but is it the buyers problem ?

Yes because the buyer appointed the middle man

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

Maybe but is it the buyers problem ?

I'd say yes - in this specific case it would be. If the middleman tampered that is.
I asked the question earlier as well.
Lessons to be learnt all round I guess.

 

[charizarding]

Maybe but is it the buyers problem ?

Yes, its the buyers friend and was the buyers request for the card to be HAND delivered to the friend.

 

[Oxcynorm]

Yes, its the buyers friend and was the buyers request for the card to be HAND delivered to the friend.

Ahhh i see ok sry my bad then, sry sry, yea that changes it, only read the first page and there was alot of text.
Sry my bad

Sry to the seller aswell then didnt catch up on this

 

[Ninja_Theory]

@Noxsion will you really be happy with a card that is "fixed" ? That fix can last a day or 2 and when it gives in again what then, i am sure you could have bought a card that didnt need "fixing".

From what i read middle man picked it up drive it to somewhere and then shipped it ? You not ship it from the start ?
Dont know if i am missing something here but i wouldnt have been happy with this deal at all.
If @Noxsion is happy with a fix card so be it but be carefull dude

You are missing a lot - like all the variables. I have clearly explained what happened, as has Noxsion. You are asking questions here that have been explained and expanded upon already. Noxsion should have asked for video footage if he wanted it - I would have happily provided it. You make this seem like it's all on the seller.. as if the buyer has no responsibility.. so we can agree to disagree on that point. Carb sales are voetstoets unless otherwise agreed between seller and buyer. Further to that point, there is no rule on Carb that states who's responsibility it is to prove an item was working prior to sale. I know it was working. The only proof I have would be my wife and kids who see me on my PC every day. I used the card until the day I removed it. I'm not happy a working card that I sold is with a buyer in a non-working state - especially knowing it it was repackaged and courier'd before use/testing. I'm certainly not going to take this as me having to jump through hoops either. I'm doing what I can to see if we can find a solution. That's all I can and will do. If this was a simple sale without any number of things that could have happened between me handing it over and it arriving with the buyer, different story.

 

[Qui_Illustrati]

My unbiased opinion - I'm inclined to err on the side of the seller on this one because it was stated in the advert that he prefers collection. With collection one would naturally assume some level of on the spot testing would be involved. Following the trail it wouldn't be a far stretch to assume the card was in all likelihood damaged, whether intentionally or not, by the middleman. Tricky one to prove and even trickier to resolve.

Just my opinion and no offense meant to any party. Also, my opinion doesn't count for shit so there's that

 

[Ninja_Theory]

Ahhh i see ok sry my bad then, sry sry, yea that changes it, only read the first page and there was alot of text.
Sry my bad

Sry to the seller aswell then didnt catch up on this

Sorry just read this, had already posted my earlier reply a few mins ago. All good. Thanks for sharing this message publicly then.

 

[Oxcynorm]

Sorry just read this, had already posted my earlier reply a few mins ago. All good. Thanks for sharing this message publicly then.

Yea really sry man, good for you to try and help atleast.
Take it this the reason we not suppose to comment in the bad deal thread aswell for idiots like me

 

[Ninja_Theory]

@Oxcynorm I see you caught up on the thread, so please take my earlier reply has playing the ball not the player. and also, thanks for clarifying on your side. I'll leave my reply there as it provides some additional context anyway.

 

[Sam_i_am]

Sadly, I think its a case of buyer risk and cost in the case of shipping . The buyer could have also used insured shipping to be extra safe. Further, it wasn't the seller that shipped the item.

Given Ninjas time on the forum, his 100% rating with over 149 deals, I don't think there is reason to doubt it was faulty before the card left his control.

 

[Switch]

(Also not sure why I would be a scammer if I paid for the card?)

Just to point out, buyers can also be scammers. Buyers can swap out parts such as from cell phones, or complete products if the serial number system is flimsy (like only relying on barcode stickers). Buyers then report the sale, get a refund, and leave the seller with a broken item. Which is one reason why I find most excuses about people reporting broken items when only testing the items weeks after receiving it due to <insert non-life threatening event> as being unreasonable, there is no way to determine if any shenanigans had occurred.

 

[FxTreme]

Carb sales are voetstoets

Oh no, doesn't work like that. Secondly you've been here on carb long enough to know better, ALWAYS provide proof of the item working before shipping. You have not provided any proof the card was working. As for the middle man if he did tamper with the card then that also needs to be taken in to account as well. My opinion, if found that the card can't be repaired I think it's only fair that a 50% refund (given that the middle man did tamper) be given and both parties can learn from this.

 

[Ninja_Theory]

Oh no, doesn't work like that. Secondly you've been here on carb long enough to know better, ALWAYS provide proof of the item working before shipping. You have not provided any proof the card was working. As for the middle man if he did tamper with the card then that also needs to be taken in to account as well. My opinion, if found that the card can't be repaired I think it's only fair that a 50% refund be given and both parties can learn from this.

Don't agree sorry. Buyer could have asked for evidence and didn't. Buyer used a middleman which means buyer entrusted a middleman. Too many variables after that. I handed over a card in perfect working order to the middleman. Certainly not going to refund but will however do what I can to assist to find a solution. We have a few options we are exploring to have the card looked at, and a call made on it. If Noxsion wants to open a bad deal thread then that avenue exists. This is a tech support thread, which I asked Noxsion to open so we can explore avenues.

 

[Ninja_Theory]

We have arranged for an IT technician to look at the card later today, I think it's happening when Noxsion finishes work. Will go from there. Next steps if we don't come right later today, would be to get the card to Jhb for ScorpioMan to look at it, and then possibly as a last resort if we don't come right with ScorpioMan, to have the new referral I received (from a Carb reseller) look at it.

In the meanwhile I looked back to the last date I have proof of the card working, which was 14 September 2021 (about a month before the hand-over to the middleman). This was the date my electrician, a fellow Carbie, came round to help me with a few house electrical matter and also took a look at my CPU fan speeds (which I asked him to help me with while he was at my place). He unplugged my PC and re-plugged it back in with the monitor plugged into the GPU etc. @Pietaaa . Pietaaa has also been at my house a few times between September and October, as he was helping me with two COC's (house and electric fence), and he has seen my PC on and working on every occasion as I have been working from home and we chat in my home office. Other than that it may also be worth mentioning that my PC is powered through an inverter since before I even bought the 2080Ti (dbl online conversion inverter) which then feeds another dbl online conversion inverter and then into the PC, so it's never been hit by loadshedding or power surges etc. It lives in a pretty ideal world here (clean power, low ambient room temps and no gaming at all since March/April 2021).

 

[BenBeyond]

I tend to agree with the seller as i work of the basis if the item is taken apart or worked on by anyone but the seller (ie the aio been taken on and off) before testing then its buyers fault for anything that happens as they couldhave damaged it. Its really easy to brick a card nowdays, a slip of a screwdiver, metal rings (i fried a card by touching with a ring on while pc was sleep) anything can mess it up let alone shipping it

 

[ArriBen]

@Ninja_Theory What was the outcome from Friday and the technician looking at the card?
I'm just following this post and interested to see the outcome.

 

[Ninja_Theory]

@Ninja_Theory What was the outcome from Friday and the technician looking at the card?
I'm just following this post and interested to see the outcome.

Hi Noxsion had family visit over the weekend so he was not able to connect with the technician as planned for Friday after work. It's planned for early this week. I did Whatsapp Noxsion today to follow up and await an update.

 

[solz]

Something just doesn't gell with this whole setup arrangement...

But really can't blame this not working on seller, buyer could have asked friend to test or friend to fetch and test.

But seeing that the card was purchased on 23Nov should you not just see what woot says, probably warranty voided with aio, but worth a shot(but think galaxy only had 2y warranty)

 

[Ninja_Theory]

But seeing that the card was purchased on 23Nov should you not just see what woot says, probably warranty voided with aio, but worth a shot(but think galaxy only had 2y warranty)

We explored this earlier in the thread. Warranty is 2 years. Would have been an avenue well worth pursuing otherwise.

 

[Ninja_Theory]

Card was confirmed dead by a friend of mine's IT technician in PE. It was a first step before sending to ScorpioMan. I've spoken to @ScorpioMan to arrange for him to check it as the final port of call (although there is a third option if we see reason to use it, as referred to me on DM). I messaged @Noxsion on Whatsapp and sent ScorpioMan's deets. I will pay the shipping to Jhb but I won't cover the risk. I also suggested that Noxsion open a bad deal thread if he's not comfortable with the plan. I trust ScorpioMan's call on the card, so we can go from there. I stand firm that the card was working 100% before it left my place. It was in daily use right up until the last minute. The middleman complicates matters as well. So we will have to follow Carb process if ScorpioMan confirms it bust with no possible fix.

 

[aiccc]

@Ninja_Theory Good job at stating your case.


Bad form - others not reading the entire thread.

TL : DR.

item shipped by buyers friend - arrives not working.

Not tested before shipping or before handing over money (by deal facilitator). AIO removed by third party. Unknown shipping packaging.

No warranty.

 

[Gurshick]

Any update on this?

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[Ninja_Theory]

Hi guys. I followed up with Noxsion on Whatsapp on 11 Nov and again yesterday. No response to either message yet. I also chatted to ScorpioMan to expect the card this week, which it seems won't happen now.

Edit: Edit was to fix a typo on my original message.

 

[Ninja_Theory]

In the meanwhile I sold the remaining components of my ex-gaming PC to a Carbie. The buyer collected in person (and this time yes, I did take video evidence of everything working beforehand) - the buyer collected during load shedding but thanks to my mancave being on an inverter, he could test everything before leaving my place.

I remain firm that given my track record on Carb and other forums (AVF), given the calibre of person who can attest to my character (should we have to go that route), given that my card ran PowerPoint and Word until I removed it for the sale (no gaming at all), given my electrician can confirm he personally witnessed the card working a month prior to the sale (he is an active Carbie), and given the clean and seamless power my PC rig ran on in my mancave (double online conversion inverters and power conditioners etc.), and given that there was a buyer appointed middleman that accepted and handled the item in order to courier to the buyer in PE, there must be responsibility on the buyer's side.

Given the above, not withstanding my own personal knowledge that I know without doubt the card was working perfectly at the point of sale (as I used it for work and as a music endpoint until that point), I will add that I suggested to Noxsion that he open a bad deal thread should he not wish to wait for ScorpioMan's investigation and results that come from that.

One last thing I was wondering. I still have the M.2 that ran my ex-gaming PC's OS, the same OS that ran the card install and drivers etc. I was wondering if there would be any way of finding hard proof of the card working amongst the Windows or Nvidia files/last driver update etc. If so, I would be happy to ask ScorpioMan or another trusted member to investigate that M.2 (which I have kept safe and untouched just in case).

 

[Ninja_Theory]

Still no reply from @Noxsion - gonna leave it here until Noxsion gets back to me . It's been 8 days, 2 Whatsapp messages plus this tag with no reply. For a deal this size, the non-response doesn't sit well with me but I assume there's reason. Noxsion, hit me up when you're ready for @ScorpioMan to look at the card. ScorpioMan shuts down shop soon so please reach out when you're back online.