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So the whole "super light" mouse thing....

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I'm a heavy mouse user. I actually prefer a wireless mouse for the weight alone. Logitech G602(152g, Give me those heavy AA batteries), currently on a MX Master S2 (145g) and back in the day when gaming mice came with additional weights I'd load up. The lightest mouse I've owned in recent years (office crap aside) was a Wireless Razer Mamba (125g).

I like the feel of having a bit of weight in the hand *insert d!ck joke*, maybe it just feels more sturdy, idk. I'm by no means a hardcore million KDA FPS gamer, I'll play some Apex/PUBG/CS/BF V every now and then and I've never felt "held back" by having a heavy mouse.

So what is it? Is it just a fad? Is it so you can pull off that super 720 noscope which requires a 4m long mouse pad because 7 dpi? Or does it genuinely feel that good moving around air?

Enlighten me.
 

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Light mice aren't just a fad, it's always been a thing but mostly users used to mod their mice light themselves as I have done many times over the years. I'm not saying heavy is a bad thing but for FPS fast movements are easier made with slightly lighter mouse weight(this isn't saying you're a weakling it's just fact that it's easier to flick with a lighter mouse) but also the mouse can't just be light, it needs to slide well and have nearly no cable tangle if it has cables. I mean I'm a G502 fan and that thing was super heavy for an FPS mouse. Mousepad size is a preference once again as I'm playing on a medium sized one again currently because it slides faster. In all honesty light mouse are nearly like mice going back to their start again because the original mice were not bloated with nonsense like sniper buttons and buttons for this and that, they were just simple mice weighing like 70g for microsoft mice and they felt good were just lacking modern sensors etc. A heavy mouse never holds you back, if you're a good player you can overcome or get used to anything but if you're a great player and using say a 120g mouse and suddenly get a 60g mouse.... you feel like you took the training wheels off and put on your big boy pants.

This reminds me of the 60hz vs 144hz arguments..... a great player can own on a 60hz monitor, however give him a 144hz monitor again it's like the training wheels have come off and he's just that little bit better.

Peripherals do not make people into gaming gods, they just help to enhance your own God given gaming talents. If you're a horrible FPS player a Glorious mouse will not save you.... it may improve you but not make you outright own..... and on the same point a G903 will not make a bad player better either..... it may feel comfy to use though. If you like a heavy mouse stick to it and likewise for a light mouse, I myself never buy into hype so I gradually worked my way down to the lightest mouse I have right now because I needed to make sure of what the weight was doing for me ingame and whatever weight mouse you use there is always an adjustment period.
 
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I'm a heavy mouse user. I actually prefer a wireless mouse for the weight alone. Logitech G602(152g, Give me those heavy AA batteries), currently on a MX Master S2 (145g) and back in the day when gaming mice came with additional weights I'd load up. The lightest mouse I've owned in recent years (office crap aside) was a Wireless Razer Mamba (125g).

I like the feel of having a bit of weight in the hand *insert d!ck joke*, maybe it just feels more sturdy, idk. I'm by no means a hardcore million KDA FPS gamer, I'll play some Apex/PUBG/CS/BF V every now and then and I've never felt "held back" by having a heavy mouse.

So what is it? Is it just a fad? Is it so you can pull off that super 720 noscope which requires a 4m long mouse pad because 7 dpi? Or does it genuinely feel that good moving around air?

Enlighten me.
Get a new Logitch G502 Lightspeed and PowerPlay Mousepad ;)
 

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@CRE4MPIE that's a 107g mouse not so? It's really really good I'm sure for what wireless is. I was oddly getting many defective Logitech mice as of late with scroll issues to click issues etc really annoying.
 

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Right. So I've always loved heavy mice. That was until I got the CoolerMaster MM830, fantastic mouse but just a little too heavy for the size.

I got the Model O as an experiment. And I love it.

So I've been trying to figure out how that can be, how can I dislike something around 100g, love something at 120g and yet also love something at almost half that. And the answer is weighting or weight distribution I think.

The reason I loved heavier mice is cuz the whole thing was heavy, it had great weight distribution usually. No part of the mouse feels lighter or heavier and moving in all directions feels the same. In fact I used to have a distinct preference for mice with removable weights and the Rival 600 felt AMAZING. That was because weights didn't just make the mouse heavier but further let me optimise the actual weighting to my liking.

The thing is if you make your mouse as light as possible you're making the whole thing light and again heading towards stellar weight distribution.

And whenever you have good weight distribution whether it be heavy or light your mouse will become more "telepathic". You will have a better understanding about the force your need to apply to move and stop it and will make less errant movements.

So essentially light mice are just revealing something to the world us heavy mouse users have always known.


That's my take on the whole thing. I love the ultralight mouse trend, but I will not stop paying attention to nice big and heavy mice.




One caveat though. If you fuck up the weight or shape, or feet on an ultralight mouse it will be completely unusable because they are so light you can actually lift the sensor away from the mat with certain hand placements.
 

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Lol @heinreich I was in the mouse game way before Zy even had a channel ha ha besides many of the mice I've loved he outright hates at times. For instance the Glorious he did not appear to be a fan of :0
 

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Lol @heinreich I was in the mouse game way before Zy even had a channel ha ha besides many of the mice I've loved he outright hates at times. For instance the Glorious he did not appear to be a fan of :0
How can that fucknut be a fan of glorius if all he does is play quake :)
 

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Right. So I've always loved heavy mice. That was until I got the CoolerMaster MM830, fantastic mouse but just a little too heavy for the size.

I got the Model O as an experiment. And I love it.

So I've been trying to figure out how that can be, how can I dislike something around 100g, love something at 120g and yet also love something at almost half that. And the answer is weighting or weight distribution I think.

The reason I loved heavier mice is cuz the whole thing was heavy, it had great weight distribution usually. No part of the mouse feels lighter or heavier and moving in all directions feels the same. In fact I used to have a distinct preference for mice with removable weights and the Rival 600 felt AMAZING. That was because weights didn't just make the mouse heavier but further let me optimise the actual weighting to my liking.

The thing is if you make your mouse as light as possible you're making the whole thing light and again heading towards stellar weight distribution.

And whenever you have good weight distribution whether it be heavy or light your mouse will become more "telepathic". You will have a better understanding about the force your need to apply to move and stop it and will make less errant movements.

So essentially light mice are just revealing something to the world us heavy mouse users have always known.


That's my take on the whole thing. I love the ultralight mouse trend, but I will not stop paying attention to nice big and heavy mice.




One caveat though. If you fuck up the weight or shape, or feet on an ultralight mouse it will be completely unusable because they are so light you can actually lift the sensor away from the mat with certain hand placements.
#enlightened

At the price, I guess it's worth a try.

Thanks
 

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Light mice aren't just a fad, it's always been a thing but mostly users used to mod their mice light themselves as I have done many times over the years. I'm not saying heavy is a bad thing but for FPS fast movements are easier made with slightly lighter mouse weight(this isn't saying you're a weakling it's just fact that it's easier to flick with a lighter mouse) but also the mouse can't just be light, it needs to slide well and have nearly no cable tangle if it has cables. I mean I'm a G502 fan and that thing was super heavy for an FPS mouse. Mousepad size is a preference once again as I'm playing on a medium sized one again currently because it slides faster. In all honesty light mouse are nearly like mice going back to their start again because the original mice were not bloated with nonsense like sniper buttons and buttons for this and that, they were just simple mice weighing like 70g for microsoft mice and they felt good were just lacking modern sensors etc. A heavy mouse never holds you back, if you're a good player you can overcome or get used to anything but if you're a great player and using say a 120g mouse and suddenly get a 60g mouse.... you feel like you took the training wheels off and put on your big boy pants.

This reminds me of the 60hz vs 144hz arguments..... a great player can own on a 60hz monitor, however give him a 144hz monitor again it's like the training wheels have come off and he's just that little bit better.

Peripherals do not make people into gaming gods, they just help to enhance your own God given gaming talents. If you're a horrible FPS player a Glorious mouse will not save you.... it may improve you but not make you outright own..... and on the same point a G903 will not make a bad player better either..... it may feel comfy to use though. If you like a heavy mouse stick to it and likewise for a light mouse, I myself never buy into hype so I gradually worked my way down to the lightest mouse I have right now because I needed to make sure of what the weight was doing for me ingame and whatever weight mouse you use there is always an adjustment period.
I got my first 144Hz monitor two months ago and now the Model O which weighs half what my current almost 5 year old mouse weighs.

Should I add xX Xx to my name now or?
 

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Holy smokes only saw this now Nokia 3310 no wonder you like heavy mice oh hells yes you sir are a legend
 

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#enlightened

At the price, I guess it's worth a try.

Thanks
Just to add to what I said before with an ultra-light mouse shape also matters less because you don't need to grip and shove the mouse along, you can just lightly fondle it in the right direction so any uncomfortable edges or contours don't really cut in as much and are largely ignored. So it's just so much easier to like the mouse.

And I say that because if I look at shape I think the Model O is one of the worst I own. And I don't actually grip it in line with the shape at all. And yet I still love it.


Providing as I said you don't screw the shape up and create a weight-imbalance through hand placement that affects the sensor.
 

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This is going the right direction.......... lightly fondle it
 

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I used to love weighted meese. I used my trusty Logitech G5 for years with all the heaviest weights in it.

But recently got a Zowie which is plain and reasonably light, with no weights, lights or anything flashy. Very minimalist and love it . Do not think I will be able to go back to a weighted moose anytime soon
 

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Lol @heinreich I was in the mouse game way before Zy even had a channel ha ha besides many of the mice I've loved he outright hates at times. For instance the Glorious he did not appear to be a fan of :0
Zy doesn't like clones. Which I respect. But I also feel the Model O improves enough to stand alone.

I don't expect he'll even take a look at the Sköll or the Nightsword for the same reason.

I too am kinda disappointed the current ultralight trend is to just reproduce a holey Zowie body and chuck a paracord on it. If another shows up I'd want to get it only for the sake of shouting at it and throwing it against the wall.
 

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Well the MM710 is a clone of a CoolerMaster MM110 or something apparently oh wait they're cloning their own mouse ;)
 

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I just prefer a super light mouse. Always have. I play claw grip and my thumb and pinkie grip the mouse very lightly. I am currently using a Steelseries Sensei 310 as decent optical mice under 80 grams are traditionally very hard to find.

I pick my mouse up a lot while playing as I also play on a very low sense and felt the original Steelseries Rival at 125 grams were definitely holding me back.

The Kana shape from Steelseries is my favourite, but traditionally they hardly ever put a high end sensor in a mouse like that. I will definitely be getting either a Glorious or a Corsair when their equivalent comes out.

So yeah, I am pretty stoked that there is a larger focus on good sensors on super light mice.
 

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Heavier mice = Higher sense since you have less movement.

Lighter mice = lower sense since you don't get fatigued as much and easier to move greater distances.

The shape is a preference for grip style.
 

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I just prefer a super light mouse. Always have. I play claw grip and my thumb and pinkie grip the mouse very lightly. I am currently using a Steelseries Sensei 310 as decent optical mice under 80 grams are traditionally very hard to find.

I pick my mouse up a lot while playing as I also play on a very low sense and felt the original Steelseries Rival at 125 grams were definitely holding me back.

The Kana shape from Steelseries is my favourite, but traditionally they hardly ever put a high end sensor in a mouse like that. I will definitely be getting either a Glorious or a Corsair when their equivalent comes out.

So yeah, I am pretty stoked that there is a larger focus on good sensors on super light mice.
Isn't the Skoll pretty much the lightweight SteelSeries, what the Model O is to the Zowie?
 

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Heavier mice = Higher sense since you have less movement.

Lighter mice = lower sense since you don't get fatigued as much and easier to move greater distances.

The shape is a preference for grip style.
Weight has 0 to do with mouse sensitivity o_O All of the above you mentioned is to do with the sensor, polling rate and so on.

Had a good laugh though :p
 

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Isn't the Skoll pretty much the lightweight SteelSeries, what the Model O is to the Zowie?
Both makes have right handed and ambidextrous mice, I prefer the ambidextrous mice within Steelseries, hence the Glorious is more applicable from my experience.
 

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Another nitpicky question. More to those bothered by aesthetics.

If you buy a mouse full of holes, it'll get dusty/cruddy inside. Isn't that an annoyance?

That's like 90% of the reason I'll never run an open-air style case.
 

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Weight has 0 to do with mouse sensitivity All of the above you mentioned is to do with the sensor, polling rate and so on.

Had a good laugh though
I think he meant the sense people with mice like that generally use, but even that argument is flawed as I have a friend who plays cs on 0.8 sense, 400dpi with the heaviest, biggest mouse he can find as he has gorilla hands (and he is Global Elite).
 

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I think he meant the sense people with mice like that generally use, but even that argument is flawed as I have a friend who plays cs on 0.8 sense, 400dpi with the heaviest, biggest mouse he can find as he has gorilla hands (and he is Global Elite).
Weight is really also up to preference.
It will make 0 difference to any sensitivity.

Usually the argument behind is that the heavier it is the more control you feel you have, and the lighter you can flick around. But for me it really comes down to preference and being comfortable, nothing to do with having an advantage or more/less sense
 

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Another nitpicky question. More to those bothered by aesthetics.

If you buy a mouse full of holes, it'll get dusty/cruddy inside. Isn't that an annoyance?

That's like 90% of the reason I'll never run an open-air style case.
Wash your hands and buy a wee microfibre cloth to throw over it at night?
 

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Heavy mice are fine if you aren't interested in being a good/great FPS player.
This is the same as high DPI vs LOW DPI.
It is all about accuracy at the end of the day, the acceleration and deceleration of a lighter mouse is faster and easier to control compared to a heavier mouses momentum.
 

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