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Hi Guys

Recently upgraded to Ryzen (Ryzen 5 3600, 16gb Corsair Vengence Pro DDR4 CL16 MICRON D-DIE, Asus B450-F) having been on intel for the last 10 years or 3 PC builds.

Loving what AMD are doing so I jumped at the opportunity to upgrade.

Rest of system:

Seasonic 520w M2II evo
Samsung 850 250gb, Samsung 840 250gb, WD Blue 500gb, Seagate 2tb HDD, WD Green 1tb
LG UM68-P Ultrawide 2560 x 1080 using display port and at 75hz
Gigabyte G1 GTX 1070 left at stock (no afterburner, no gigabyte software)
Latest nvidia drivers

Unfortunately after doing the usual setup, my FPS really are not better in any single game I have tested.
  1. Fresh windows (1909) and updating
  2. Installing latest AMD chipset drivers from amd.com
  3. Installing latest drivers from asus page
  4. Did not install any Asus programs or corsair iCUE software (only apps installed were synapse and hwinfo / cinebench)
  5. Made sure temps are within reason (max load was 70)
  6. Set ram to XMP profile it came with - 3200mhz
Fired up assassins creed odyssey, gears 5 and cod and it ran 10 fps - 20 slower than my 4790K on average.

My cinebench R20 scores were 3510 multithread and 475 single thread.

Am I missing something here? :cry:

What I have tried:

  • Reinstalled windows
  • Updated bios to latest from asus which is 3003
  • Set custom ram timings
  • Set auto overclock on Ryzen master
  • Cleared CMOS
  • Testing odyssey at 2133mhz ram and 3200mhz yielded no fps difference (this is a red flag to me for the ram)
Links CPU || M.B || RAM

I had my 4790K overlocked to 4.5ghz @ 1.23V and ram from 1866mhz to 2133mhz at 1.5V on my old system if any one is interested.
 
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ash515 said:
I am leaning towards that but it doesn't explain the massive fps difference especially if I compare it to similar setups.
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That ryzen 5 should be a good deal faster than a 4790k. is the cpu operating at its rated speeds?
 
Try running a game that is more CPU intensive vs GPU, like Counter Strike for instance. I'm sure you'll see a marginally bigger improvement.

If you don't see a massive improvement, definitely check if the CPU is running at it's optimal speed.

Make sure that Asus board has the latest firmware loaded.
My friend bought an upgrade kit from Evetech (exact same board) but with the Ryzen 5 1600, he was getting half the speed because the firmware wasn't up to date on the board. We literally battled for hours to figure it out. Was a super frustrating day.
 
Download MSI Afterburner and have the overlay thing on. Then you can see utilization of different parts and that should give you an idea of what is happening
 
DoringRosie said:
Try running a game that is more CPU intensive vs GPU, like Counter Strike for instance. I'm sure you'll see a marginally bigger improvement.

If you don't see a massive improvement, definitely check if the CPU is running at it's optimal speed.

Make sure that Asus board has the latest firmware loaded.
My friend bought an upgrade kit from Evetech (exact same board) but with the Ryzen 5 1600, he was getting half the speed because the firmware wasn't up to date on the board. We literally battled for hours to figure it out. Was a super frustrating day.
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I am glad you guys sorted it out, I updated the latest Bios 3003.

CPU running at it's advertised speeds, boosted to 4.1ghz when I was playing odyssey.

AC Odyssey does a number on CPUs why I tested it, havent tested CS yet.
 
chriswp said:
Download MSI Afterburner and have the overlay thing on. Then you can see utilization of different parts and that should give you an idea of what is happening
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Used to use afterburner extensively, causes major stutter on my 4790K due to the polling.

But I was going to try this when I get home, but from leaving Hwinfo in the background can see the CPU boosting to 4.1ghz when I test games.
 
ash515 said:
I am glad you guys sorted it out, I updated the latest Bios 3003.

CPU running at it's advertised speeds, boosted to 4.1ghz when I was playing odyssey.

AC Odyssey does a number on CPUs why I tested it, havent tested CS yet.
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That is very interesting. I would definitely try and test the easier components first, matter of eliminating the parts that's doing the job.

I'd recommend doing what @chriswp mentioned, getting MSI Afterburner, no need to set any fan curves or clocks of any sort, just a matter of monitoring whether the GPU is performing the way it should.

If the GPU seems fine I'd definitely check out that RAM. I'd recommend using the dreadful MemTest86 :/ quite good, but you have to basically boot into it. Which sucks, but is also cool, knowing that windows or any other background programs can't stuff around with the memory while testing.
 
ash515 said:
Used to use afterburner extensively, causes major stutter on my 4790K due to the polling.

But I was going to try this when I get home, but from leaving Hwinfo in the background can see the CPU boosting to 4.1ghz when I test games.
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Yeah that sounds like your GPU isn't doing too much? If temps and boost are highish then the CPU is doing what it is supposed to. With MSI afterburner you'll see if it is doing as much as it can
 
I don't know, I'm probably old school but I will always stick to my Intel + Nvidia combo. I've had several Amd back in the stone ages including Radeons, and nothing till this day can convince me to change my ways.

Look if Ryzen can finally beat the latest intel in all games even at stupid resolutions like 720p, I might change my ways. But until then I have read too much about memory incompatibility on Ryzen and what what, some people couldn't even boot their pc. Ryzen 3 is probably much more optimized, but seeing this just cements my mental image about the whole thing.

I've never had an intel nvidia setup that gave me issues, touch wood.
 
baasgene said:
I don't know, I'm probably old school but I will always stick to my Intel + Nvidia combo. I've had several Amd back in the stone ages including Radeons, and nothing till this day can convince me to change my ways.

Look if Ryzen can finally beat the latest intel in all games even at stupid resolutions like 720p, I might change my ways. But until then I have read too much about memory incompatibility on Ryzen and what what, some people couldn't even boot their pc. Ryzen 3 is probably much more optimized, but seeing this just cements my mental image about the whole thing.
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When last did you check who is ahead in games? Because AMD and Intel are essentially equal, with AMD winning some and Intel winning some. But there are other threads on carb that discussed this.
 
baasgene said:
I don't know, I'm probably old school but I will always stick to my Intel + Nvidia combo. I've had several Amd back in the stone ages including Radeons, and nothing till this day can convince me to change my ways.

Look if Ryzen can finally beat the latest intel in all games even at stupid resolutions like 720p, I might change my ways. But until then I have read too much about memory incompatibility on Ryzen and what what, some people couldn't even boot their pc. Ryzen 3 is probably much more optimized, but seeing this just cements my mental image about the whole thing.

I've never had an intel nvidia setup that gave me issues, touch wood.
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Ryzen 4000 is coming soon :D Might convince you :p
 
chriswp said:
When last did you check who is ahead in games? Because AMD and Intel are essentially equal, with AMD winning some and Intel winning some. But there are other threads on carb that discussed this.
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Unless you're cherry picking with Amd games, the 9900k/9700k is still the undisputed king in gaming. Especially with cores synced at 5ghz+.
 
How I set up my 3600, getting 3700+- on cinebench

Memory 3200
FCLK 1600
CPU core ratio 42
Precision boost overdrive enabled
Dram timing to whatever yours says on the box, yours from the top should be 16-18-18-18-38 (asus bios has an extra one in the middle)
CPU vtage 1.25 (offset +0.15)
SOC vtage 1.025 (offset - 0.075)
RAM vtage 1.35

Give that a go with everything else at default/auto. Probably easier to reset the bios to default. You'll need a decent cooler for the cpu OC, stock cooler may get a bit toasty.

If it's crashing dial back the cpu multiplier, if it's too hot dial back the cou voltage.

Once stable you can fiddle more with the ram timings, I never got anything but the factory cert running on my shitty gskill so can't comment on any boosts there.

Furmark CPU burner:

 
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baasgene said:
Unless you're cherry picking with Amd games, the 9900k/9700k is still the undisputed king in gaming. Especially with cores synced at 5ghz+.
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Thanks for your answer, however I sold my intel setup and bought a ryzen.

There are plenty reputable forums and youtubers who have shown that there is a improvement (I wouldn't just upgrade for the shits and giggles)

Intel is better for gaming no one is disputing that but I would like some help on getting my system operating as it should.

not every one can afford a 9700k mate
 
ScottulusMaximus said:
How I set up my 3600, getting 3700+- on cinebench

Memory 3200
FCLK 1600
CPU core ratio 42
Precision boost overdrive enabled
Dram timing to whatever yours says on the box, yours from the top should be 16-18-18-18-38 (asus bios has an extra one in the middle)
CPU vtage 1.25 (offset +0.15)
SOC vtage 1.025 (offset - 0.075)
RAM vtage 1.35

Give that a go with everything else at default/auto. Probably easier to reset the bios to default. You'll need a decent cooler for the cpu OC, stock cooler may get a bit toasty.

If it's crashing dial back the cpu multiplier, if it's too hot dial back the cou voltage.

Once stable you can fiddle more with the ram timings, I never got anything but the factory cert running on my shitty gskill so can't comment on any boosts there.

Furmark CPU burner:

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Thank you I appreciate the reply, I will give this a try. I cannot off my head remember the timings but they were not that low, XMP had it around 19-19 etc

I have done some reading into the memory chips being a problem, those corsair ship with Micron D-DIE single rank chips if im not mistaken.

They not the optimal samsing b-die chips but I mean we talking quite a big difference.
 
baasgene said:
Unless you're cherry picking with Amd games, the 9900k/9700k is still the undisputed king in gaming. Especially with cores synced at 5ghz+.
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Yes Can Agree On that My 9700k Is pushing 5.2Ghz Stable and Games are so smooth with my 1080Ti. I'll stick with my Intel and Nvidia Combo.
 
ash515 said:
Thank you I appreciate the reply, I will give this a try. I cannot off my head remember the timings but they were not that low, XMP had it around 19-19 etc

I have done some reading into the memory chips being a problem, those corsair ship with Micron D-DIE single rank chips if im not mistaken.

They not the optimal samsing b-die chips but I mean we talking quite a big difference.
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Sorry But What Timings does your Ram Have ?
 
The Best Way I would say to test is to use someone else Ram and see if you still have the same benchmarks.
 
The peeps are all mentioning ram for a reason, I believe it is very plausible given Ryzen's history.

I know I used to run memtest when I overclocked my ram, perhaps it too can assist you in determining if the ram is okay? I just checked for instability normally though I never had degraded performance. If it gives a single error then you know the ram is the culprit.

Don't think it will help in this case though, try getting somebody with some gskill/corsiar ram that has either Samsung B-Die, or Hynix C or D die.

Micron is pretty good though, just not sure about Ryzen compatibility.

Try setting your ram to 3600mhz @ 18-22-22-42, even if it is 3600mhz it should boot at 1.35v with lax timings like this.
 
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