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If you thought overclocking 1000 series was tough, well NVIDIA has gone and made it even more difficult. I'm not saying they did it for any particular reason at all; I'm just saying as stands and with the tools we have, it's a lot tougher than it was before. Affects AIC partners as well, like EVGA who will not have K-Boost available to use anymore as the Turing GPUs simply don't allow that sort of clock/P-state control it seems.

1. You can only OC the boost clock not the base clock,
2. Boost clock is determined by the GPU and driver based on a host of input data regarding the state of the GPU (power, heat, load and a ton of other stuff) and the the boost clock will adjust accordingly.
3. There's currently no way to turn off the power monitoring, even with extreme overclocking you generally have to stay within the allowed power cap or at least fool the GPU into passing off the power draw as 'normal'. As you know the colder the GPU, the less power it consumes, so when dealing with XOC you're effectively lowering the temps while balancing the GPU clock so that together they do not trigger this power cap.
4. Adding more voltage to the GPU (if you can find the right tools even) won't help a single bit and even when you 'can' it simply won't apply. You will be able to tell that the software or whatever utility has requested to set a particular VID, but based of the actual 3D load reading, nothing happens.
5. The best thing you can do for 2000 series overclocking is to cool the GPU as others have said. A full coverage waterblock should be well worth it and considering what these cards go for, I'd seriously recommend one. Not for the heat per se, but to keep the temps low enough so that you get max boost clocks as much as possible. I've seen 3D clock go from 2010MHz to 1930MHz, all by itself, while the GPU lowers the voltage and does all sorts of things to 'optimize' operation.
6. In light of the above, the clock which you set in the utility isn't always going to be the same. If you set +50MHz it could set a 3Dload clock of 1995MHz, or 2010MHz or even 2025MHz. It will depend on the temperature and power draw at the time.
7. So far I don't think there's a utility that allows a fixed 3D clock, it's just a range that's possible and depending on the operating conditions may stay, there, increase or decrease. The lower the temps the more stable this clock frequency will be.
8. GDDR6 is great for obvious reasons, but I can't help but think that because Micron is the only provider for now, most memory on the GPUs isn't great at all. I say this because on record thus far, the highest mem clock is 8,700MHz I think or 17,4GHz (2080 Ti on LN2). Many GPUs can't even do 16GHz (8000MHz) even though the reference or mem IC rating is 7000MHz.
Micron has always produced slower GDDR than Samsung with lower overclocking headroom. Exactly as it is with regular DRAM, you want Samsung ICs not Micron.
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In short, get a water block, it's worth it now more than any other time before.

With all that said, here are some results with an air cooled RTX 2080
3DMark TimeSpy - 12,288
3DMark FireStrtike Ultra - 7342


3DMark TimeSpy is a great example of how much more competent the Turing GPUs are at computational tasks than Pascal and previous generation GPUs. 3DMark FireStrike on the other hand, is more of a legacy benchmark at this point, because it leans a lot less on compute tasks, being a DX11 benchmark and all with limited general compute opportunities in how it renders an image.

Put in another way, one can do a lot more complicated tasks more efficiently (calculus), while the other does simpler tasks as faster (simple arithmetic). Simply put, every game we have at present favours the latter, but going forward, the former is where all development will and should be. How we get to movie like CGI is with complex, more exotic maths, not ever more arithmetic operations on ever increasing numbers.
 

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Thanks @Gouhan for the review and inputs... certainly makes a huge difference in the long run.

Do you think that these cards will have any competition from AMD in any way or form when they release the 7nm chips?
Secondly, do you think they are gimping performance of these cards purposely in any way until AMD releases their flagship cards and then strike back with drivers/refresh early next year?
 
Not a review please just my quick experience with specific to overclocking the rtx 2080.

I can't answer any of what you asked because I simply don't know and I'd wager that anyone who says they can is misleading you.


NVIDIA is not likely limiting performance at least as a strategy against any would be competiton.

It takes time to hash out a driver that's truly representitive of what the GPU can do. Release driver for 1080 vs last one offer very different performance numbers. The same should hold true with Turing if not more so.

Tuning the turing core with drivers is may take a while given how different it is from previous GPUs. Time will tell.
As for AMD no idea what they'll make but I'm suspecting it'll be a sizeable step forward, hopefully with much better performance/watt.

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WRT Nvidia power monitoring/management, the Galax HOF Limited edition seems to have jumpers to disable it. I must say, it’s quite interesting how Galax has embraced the LN scene the last few years
 
WRT Nvidia power monitoring/management, the Galax HOF Limited edition seems to have jumpers to disable it. I must say, it’s quite interesting how Galax has embraced the LN scene the last few years
Nah, it's not disabled on any of the HOF card, especially the OC LAB versions. I know because I was at the GALAX OC LAB the week before last for the 5th anniversary. You literally have to monitor the power load, so as to not trigger the Power Cap.
GALAX actually started hosting GOC in China 10 years ago, this year is the 10th anniversary and inviting all previous winners. So they've been in the LN2 scene for a very long time, just not outside of China sadly.
 
i'm so tired of Nvidia's big business mindset that i'm going to stick to AMD even if they lagging behind in performance.

Nvidia of late is just trying to screw the end user at every turn.
 
i'm so tired of Nvidia's big business mindset that i'm going to stick to AMD even if they lagging behind in performance.

Nvidia of late is just trying to screw the end user at every turn.
Your disapproval is noted and perfectly sensible, it is however misplaced.
AMD in the exact same situation would do the same. In a market economy, profit is incentivized over and above all else. It is also rewarded.
Don't forget it was AMD that introduced $1,000 CPUs way back in the early to mid 2000s with AthlonFX.
There are no two ways about it, the new GPUs are hideously expensive, it's quite preposterous actually. I'd never recommend anyone buy any of these at this price.
I'm a fan of the technology a whole lot, perhaps even a zealot, but I don't care for the pricing and as a product within this "PC Gaming" frame work, this pricing means these GPUs are rubbish.

Buying AMD however isn't a solution and will only hurt you. Buy AMD when they genuinely have a better value proposition in their offerings for you and your needs. Not because you're against NVIDIA, as AMD will turn around and do the exact same thing to you given half the chance.

Some 2080 Ti cards here in SA are supposedly retailing for as much as R35,000. Absurd!
 

R3aL1Ty

I see now why you want a water block.
5. The best thing you can do for 2000 series overclocking is to cool the GPU as others have said. A full coverage waterblock should be well worth it and considering what these cards go for, I'd seriously recommend one. Not for the heat per se, but to keep the temps low enough so that you get max boost clocks as much as possible. I've seen 3D clock go from 2010MHz to 1930MHz, all by itself, while the GPU lowers the voltage and does all sorts of things to 'optimize' operation.

Gouhan

My 3060 Ti Gaming Trio X has Samsung VRAM and I think ShabROIDS_ZA also has Samsung by the sounds of things. The 3060 Ti cooler is the same as the 3080 cooler so it's very efficient. I don't know if I can get my VRAM to 8000 Mhz.
 

R3aL1Ty

I see now why you want a water block.


Gouhan

My 3060 Ti Gaming Trio X has Samsung VRAM and I think ShabROIDS_ZA also has Samsung by the sounds of things. The 3060 Ti cooler is the same as the 3080 cooler so it's very efficient. I don't know if I can get my VRAM to 8000 Mhz.

Hell of a resurrection!
But yea, well kinda why i want one.

I also really like the aesthetics of custom loops, and I really would like to give it a bash as i have never done it before.
Really about it, I don't even OC all that much as you know :p
 

R3aL1Ty

I see now why you want a water block.


Gouhan

My 3060 Ti Gaming Trio X has Samsung VRAM and I think ShabROIDS_ZA also has Samsung by the sounds of things. The 3060 Ti cooler is the same as the 3080 cooler so it's very efficient. I don't know if I can get my VRAM to 8000 Mhz.
My personal OC results:

Zotac 2070 Mini: 750MHz on memory, 100MHz on core IIRC
2080 GAMING X TRIO: 1000MHz on Samsung G6, 150MHz on core (sometimes I'd have to back off slightly)
2080 ROG STRIX ADVANCED: 1000MHz on Samsung G6, 110MHz on core (it would run too cool and attempt boosting past 2100MHz)
Palit 2080 Ti Gaming Pro OC: +75MHz on core, +1000MHz on Samsung G6
3080 Eagle OC: +100MHz core, +750MHz G6X (1000MHz worked but errored out once in RDR2)
 
My personal OC results:

Zotac 2070 Mini: 750MHz on memory, 100MHz on core IIRC
2080 GAMING X TRIO: 1000MHz on Samsung G6, 150MHz on core (sometimes I'd have to back off slightly)
2080 ROG STRIX ADVANCED: 1000MHz on Samsung G6, 110MHz on core (it would run too cool and attempt boosting past 2100MHz)
Palit 2080 Ti Gaming Pro OC: +75MHz on core, +1000MHz on Samsung G6
3080 Eagle OC: +100MHz core, +750MHz G6X (1000MHz worked but errored out once in RDR2)

Very nice! Some damn nice cards there.

Got my 3060 Ti to +1400 on the VRAM. Samsung memory seems to just be amazing.

What chips are in the Eagle? Hynix?
 
Very nice! Some damn nice cards there.

Got my 3060 Ti to +1400 on the VRAM. Samsung memory seems to just be amazing.

What chips are in the Eagle? Hynix?
I never saw this reply :/. The Eagle had Micron G6X, Micron is the only manufacturer who produces it and it is exclusive to Nvidia.
 

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