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"Privacy" - What's the big deal?

What's your tin-foil hat rating?

  • 5 - I live in an off-line bubble and share as little as possible

    Votes: 7 7.9%
  • 4

    Votes: 10 11.2%
  • 3 - I only do what I have to. Life is inconvenient otherwise

    Votes: 35 39.3%
  • 2

    Votes: 14 15.7%
  • 1 - I click "yes" on everything. Don't read T&Cs

    Votes: 23 25.8%

  • Total voters
    89
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Reminds me of everyone's Operating System as main OS. Main reason why I choose Linux as main OS:
- best privacy
- best security
- no reboot after update install
- no update loading screen before you can use it
- no annoying pop ups notification/ads
- can fully access hardware control & information
- get more support from Intel, Nvidia, developers, etc
- user friendly for friends and family, it's free
... list goes on

If you don't mind sharing privacy, get some attention in the future:
- Cookies
- Update
- IE
- Bing
- MSN
- Update
- Office
- OneDrive
- Store
- Outlook
- Update
- Skype
- Xbox
- Subscription
- Update
- Windows 11 hooker: "i'll sit comfortable in your old windows system so you can call me anytime if you have *insert nasty pricetag here* for me, don't tell your wife/husband"

...did i mention Update?? :rolleyes:
 
...did i mention Update?? :rolleyes:

Hello My name is Jadin and I used to run windows as my main OS.

I have been microsoft free for nearly two years now. (applause)

ALSO:
A nice side effect, haven't had to renew my bitdefender/malwarebytes licences, because linux is practically immune to viruses. My wifes work got hit just yesterday with ransomware, cerber version 4. lost three years of work (graphic design). The kicker? They all had avast and malwarebytes installed. Hmmm...
 
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Yeah look like they should add 1984 to mandatory books to read for us.

Mass data collection of people is at the corner stone of having a totalitarian/police state. It has nothing to do with you believing you have nothing to hide. Everybody doesn't until something in their past online activities is deemed as terrorism, treason or any kind of act against the interests of the state.
When corporate companies and government agencies which are not accountable to you, start collecting your data constantly and without consent, that is living in a surveillance state or better yet a police state. The ethics question of such a society has always existed and time and time again it proves such attempts end in failure and cause damage long lasting. That it is in the digital domain is no different. Those who spoke ill of Mao or even had a diverging opinion of the "leadership" were detained, fined, or sent to labor.

Ask yourself who was it that reported these transgressions to the authorities? It was those around you, family members, friends etc. as they too had grown to fear similar betrayals from within these spaces. That is effectively that is being monitored and living under a surveillance state. The question should not be viewed in the context of just your data being collected, the truth is you are being monitored constantly and more pervasively. Unlike the Mao era, this is worse because there are significantly more ways of monitoring you and it's constant.

There's no such thing as a "reputable" company. Companies are people and you can't make a blanket statement about any group of people whose sole reason for being together is profit (business) in addition to/or control for government. You wouldn't walk into a random crowd of 100 people and share all your life's details, wishes, ambitions, fears and problems etc. You'd not do that and expect them all to be "reputable" and exceptional in their ethics to not use your information for their gain (even if it's a minority of them who would). Guess what? This same random group of 100 people you'd not give this information to, are the same ones that make up these so called "reputable" companies. Companies are not separate form people, every ill practice committed by any private entity, was done and orchestrated by people.,
And this mass surveillance, unlike publicly shouting out your life; you don't have a choice in. You are constantly doing this and it's not even up to you. In fact it's being made so that you have no choice but to share this data to private entities and government.

And that is the issue here, not whether or not you have something to hide.
 
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Fair enough, but there's one flaw to your argument. You repeat a few times that this gathering of data is "without consent", that we "don't have a choice" and "it's not up to" us. You absolutely have a choice. There are switches, options and opt-out functions on almost every form of data gathering out there. Those that don't have it simply state that they are gathering the data - if you don't like it then don't use it. Nothing has changed; in fact if anything it's improved. Can you imagine the uproar if Vodacom suddenly said "We're using humans to connect your calls, they are able to listen to those calls and are not required to sign an NDA"? Well that was the case up until about 1970; the last manual switchboard ceased operation in 1991...

Yes, companies are comprised of people and those people want to make profit. That's the way the world works. The only way a company can successfully make profit is to provide goods or a service that other companies cannot provide or provide them in a better way than other companies can, and it's the people who decide which one is better. If google watches me sit in traffic at the same robots every afternoon, tells CocaCola, and they stick a Coke salesman at those lights then it's a win win. That's an extremely simple example but that's how information sharing fundamentally works.

As for a police state, that's a question of whether we as a species can self-regulate our free will to avoid self harm and harm to others. The existence of a legal system points to the fact that we are unable to do so and must therefore be monitored, regulated and punished when necessary. Occasionally a leader will come along who either pushes this concept too far (Mao & Co) or chooses to place himself above it (Zuma?). This isn't the place to start debating how these leaders come to power, but the fact is it's not the norm, and as long our leaders have a modicum of sense then we can trust that they won't suddenly turn around and jail everyone who's turned left too many times.
What we can, or rather should be able to trust in is that the existing legal system will turn around and investigate that guy googling how to kill someone or how to build a car bomb. Should his privacy be protected because you're worried about a totalitarian government coming into power one day?
 
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Thus is kinda like a double edged sword on one side we want some things public(social media) and on the other side we want certain things private,but like most things they get blurry some where in the middle...we have become socially indoctrinated in to what the world sees as socially acceptable,cause yes we all need to have a big house,fat pay cheque,3 kids 2 dogs,1 laptop 1 pc,2 consoles and a loving wife to be happy...

All these big companies want to do is categorize you,Everything always tends to be stat driven,pushing products to the right places for maximum effectiveness...and sadly we are the commodities .
 
Fair enough, but there's one flaw to your argument. You repeat a few times that this gathering of data is "without consent", that we "don't have a choice" and "it's not up to" us. You absolutely have a choice. There are switches, options and opt-out functions on almost every form of data gathering out there. Those that don't have it simply state that they are gathering the data - if you don't like it then don't use it. Nothing has changed; in fact if anything it's improved. Can you imagine the uproar if Vodacom suddenly said "We're using humans to connect your calls, they are able to listen to those calls and are not required to sign an NDA"? Well that was the case up until about 1970; the last manual switchboard ceased operation in 1991...

Yes, companies are comprised of people and those people want to make profit. That's the way the world works. The only way a company can successfully make profit is to provide goods or a service that other companies cannot provide or provide them in a better way than other companies can, and it's the people who decide which one is better. If google watches me sit in traffic at the same robots every afternoon, tells CocaCola, and they stick a Coke salesman at those lights then it's a win win. That's an extremely simple example but that's how information sharing fundamentally works.

As for a police state, that's a question of whether we as a species can self-regulate our free will to avoid self harm and harm to others. The existence of a legal system points to the fact that we are unable to do so and must therefore be monitored, regulated and punished when necessary. Occasionally a leader will come along who either pushes this concept too far (Mao & Co) or chooses to place himself above it (Zuma?). This isn't the place to start debating how these leaders come to power, but the fact is it's not the norm, and as long our leaders have a modicum of sense then we can trust that they won't suddenly turn around and jail everyone who's turned left too many times.
What we can, or rather should be able to trust in is that the existing legal system will turn around and investigate that guy googling how to kill someone or how to build a car bomb. Should his privacy be protected because you're worried about a totalitarian government coming into power one day?

I think the conversation is not the everyday occurrence of private data collection-- but that the entire method and "experience" of data collection as we know it has evolved into such a norm that people perceive it as just "the way things are". Not to get overtly tin-foil hat, but freedoms are not taken away overnight or granted overnight, but are slowly built up and eroded away, through legislation, culture, economics, activists etc.

Let's approach this as a thought exercise: Try to think of the best way to gain viable marketable data from someone you don't know at all. Would your strategy be to constantly harass them or threaten them with some such law or stipulation requiring them to hand over their info? Or would you create an environment in which they feel safe or even obliged to hand over their information? I think we know the answer to that. So is it so hard to believe that this safe feeling you have is merely through extensive "normalisation" of data collection in spheres of life?

Consent or not, choice is not really a choice when you cannot survive in modern day living without consenting for your personal data to be used in order to buy something, create something or even to get paid.

For example, the choice to do FNB payments online to non-beneficiary accounts became a lot more invasive. It now requires the need to have a smartphone and a network provider: case in point, OTPs and the FNB app now. Before FNB only required me to have a number to send an SMS to; now the app can record location data, my contacts list, microphone and a few other things; all in order to simply do the same thing I wanted to do; pay for something. It's the small things, that all eventually add up into a mountain of data that although you consented to, provides you with little alternatives. It's now required that you to have the FNB app and account populated with information that they can use internally, or sell to marketers, data analysts, call centers etc. It's not that they can or will; but the option is there, and you have no real decision in whether or not it will be shared now or 30 years down the line

Yes, this is all a choice based world, but can you see how they integrate it all into modern day living, cultivating a sense that "this is normal, more of my data is needed to deliver XYZ service". Try to live a healthy modern day life (as a middle to upper class person) without these sorts of things and it becomes difficult. Just because something presents itself as a choice does not meant its a choice with an equally weighted alternative -- it's not really a choice at all. Just look at how frustrated some older people experience these new fangled services they now "need" in order to operate and participate in the world around them? This is not meant for me to come across as a privacy nut, but just to illuminate that the companies, banks, governments etc who want to extract profit or compliance from all spheres of your life will structure the world and their services in such a way in order to maximise the aim of making you a profitable consumer/citizen and use your data to that end. As Gouhan said, it's being made so that you have no choice but to share your data with governments and private entities.

As for social engineering, that sort of attack thrives on obtaining personal information in order to backdoor their way into your life. The new scam doing the rounds (not sure if its hit here en mass), are un-authorized sim swaps in which an attacker manages to convince the service provider to port your account to a new number they control and proceed to take over your email, social networks in order to extract cash or even more information on people in your networks. To even begin this process, attackers need to know your email, ID, addresses etc etc, all information neatly contained on databases of your ISP, bank or even an online Dildo store you shopped at that one time.

This all can be summarized into a neat little saying: Information is Power. Information is merely data, but those who control that information can do incredibly powerful things with it for their own benefit. It's as simple as that; we do not control our online data. If you want to get a glimpse of the dystopian versions of a world consumed by the effects of privacy infringement, please watch some Black Mirror episodes :)
 
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To me the problem with true caller is that someone submits my details without my consent.
For Google and the like, I chose to create an account and accepted the terms and conditions. I never installed true caller yet because my in laws did now my details are on their database.

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#NSA #Snowden #Trump #Terrorism #OrangeIsTheNewBlack ... That's it, I'm offline for the rest of the day. They going to monitor my activity for weeks :rolleyes:
 
I always see those articles posted on Facebook where they say "Google has been tracking your locations all this time and click here how to turn it off". Then i think to myself, so what?!

At least every time i use my google maps to go somewhere i can at least see where the busy roads would be and try to avoid it. I think its an awesome innovation of the modern age.
 
Seperation of persona's

Noa does not interact with real me. Real me barely does anything on the internet, in fact real me hasn't done anything in 2 years. Noa doesn't use a real name when registering on sites. Noa doesn't know about a few other alts.

So I can sperg out as much as I want on the various persona's and get away without being traced back to my real name or alts.

This site and the info contained on it is probably the closest the real me and Noa interact.

So while they may collect info on me, who exactly is it tied to?
 
Seperation of persona's

Noa does not interact with real me. Real me barely does anything on the internet, in fact real me hasn't done anything in 2 years. Noa doesn't use a real name when registering on sites. Noa doesn't know about a few other alts.

So I can sperg out as much as I want on the various persona's and get away without being traced back to my real name or alts.

This site and the info contained on it is probably the closest the real me and Noa interact.

So while they may collect info on me, who exactly is it tied to?

Noah also has done a few trades on this site. Noah, do you really trust those people you traded with? Noah, unless you use the tor browser to hide your ip, 'they' already know who the real you is.
 
Noah also has done a few trades on this site. Noah, do you really trust those people you traded with? Noah, unless you use the tor browser to hide your ip, 'they' already know who the real you is.

This site and the info contained on it is probably the closest the real me and Noa interact.

And how do they tie an IP to me, bar going to Telkom and asking what phone number is associated with the endpoint on a specific time and date?
 
And how do they tie an IP to me, bar going to Telkom and asking what phone number is associated with the endpoint on a specific time and date?

I don't think they'd tie a specific ip to you, they would however be able to tie your other personas together if you don't hide your ip when switching between them. Also, your phone is probably on wifi, with possibly the same ip you're using now to post on here. Anyways, I wasn't being serious, it was a bit tongue in cheek.
 
I don't think they'd tie a specific ip to you, they would however be able to tie your other personas together if you don't hide your ip when switching between them. Also, your phone is probably on wifi, with possibly the same ip you're using now to post on here. Anyways, I wasn't being serious, it was a bit tongue in cheek.

They would if I used the same sites between personas, which I don't as personas fit into their niche sites and don't stray.
The only site I really multi account on is steam sitting at around 20ish there and the last time steam tied accounts together poor Burton had to manually connect the dots to ban people.
 
If these companies wanted your information they would get it whether your willing to or not.

Heck the past few weeks I been getting a phone call from some company in Singapore wanting to tell me about the stuff they offer. They called me on my cell and said they have my details on their database. I have never set foot in singapore nor have I ever bought/did anything related to them.

There is no such thing as privacy in an internet driven world
 
If these companies wanted your information they would get it whether your willing to or not.

Heck the past few weeks I been getting a phone call from some company in Singapore wanting to tell me about the stuff they offer. They called me on my cell and said they have my details on their database. I have never set foot in singapore nor have I ever bought/did anything related to them.

There is no such thing as privacy in an internet driven world
You may be missing the core question or issue surrounding privacy and data collection. Do not let the digital domain obfuscate the real question here.
There are many things that private organisations and individuals can do. That does not in anyway suggest they should therefor do them.
It is part of, if not the foundation for civilization. That we do things, with consideration to others, rather than purely as a question of if we are able to or not able to.
Nothing prevents one from driving into oncoming traffic. Just as there's nothing preventing one from skipping every single traffic stop and light.
However it is an agreement we have, that because this is dangerous or potentially dangerous. It is best be do not drive in such a manner for the benefit of ourselves and others.

That ties directly into data collection and snooping on people. Just because it is possible, it doesn't mean it should be done and therefor we should embrace it without resistance and consideration.
Be it they can get it or not has never been the issue, as that's always been possible. The question is what your data is used for and could be potentially used for.
 
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Privacy is only important once people lose it. I work for one of the big banks and it's crazy what some business units do with it.


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Privacy is a lot like freedom of speech, just because you have nothing to hide does not mean you want that right taken away from you? Same with freedom of speech, just because you don't use it everyday does not mean you want it to be taken away?

As someone that works with the data sharing to develop intelligence on it, it is actually rather something to worry about. For instance, you listed on your life insurance form that you don't do any extreme sports, however after the insurance company scrapes your photos and information from Facebook and they see that you are a mountain biker or cyclist they adjust your premium automatically.

That is just an example, but it happens in the world and its going to get worse. As with some of the previous posts, the only way really to preserve your privacy is to go off the grid, as anything and everything these days shares data.

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Privacy is a lot like freedom of speech, just because you have nothing to hide does not mean you want that right taken away from you? Same with freedom of speech, just because you don't use it everyday does not mean you want it to be taken away?

As someone that works with the data sharing to develop intelligence on it, it is actually rather something to worry about. For instance, you listed on your life insurance form that you don't do any extreme sports, however after the insurance company scrapes your photos and information from Facebook and they see that you are a mountain biker or cyclist they adjust your premium automatically.

That is just an example, but it happens in the world and its going to get worse. As with some of the previous posts, the only way really to preserve your privacy is to go off the grid, as anything and everything these days shares data.

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I am with this.
How different the world was, when I was growing up, compared to now.
As governments have proven themselves repeatedly to be untrustworthy, ditto for corporates, do you really trust them with your personal info?
In IT I have seen too much, to ever trust any of them. Its just too easy to grab the money offered for sale of information, metadata, and everything in that realm.
 
I am with this.
How different the world was, when I was growing up, compared to now.
As governments have proven themselves repeatedly to be untrustworthy, ditto for corporates, do you really trust them with your personal info?
In IT I have seen too much, to ever trust any of them. Its just too easy to grab the money offered for sale of information, metadata, and everything in that realm.
It goes beyond money, the industry work in are busy developing intelligent surveillance systems able to detect your intent. This is a massive problem, these systems are all predictive of nature, meaning they may be accurate but they also do make mistakes.

So now I walk down the road, had a bad day at work and feel like punching a boxing bag, the systems picks up I have an intent to hurt someone and dispatches a police unit to come and investigate me? Do you see the problem here? Granted we are far away from this in SA but they are in a beta process with this in the states.

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Oh I get it now. [MENTION=296]Noah[/MENTION] is updates the last post time with the last time someone posted in the poll and links that time in the "New Posts" list with the last person's actual post. It's a bug/design flaw.
 
Oh I get it now. [MENTION=296]Noah[/MENTION] is updates the last post time with the last time someone posted in the poll and links that time in the "New Posts" list with the last person's actual post. It's a bug/design flaw.

yip, same as why search results only shows yesterdays post and not any of today
 

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