Need helo deciding RTX3070 vs RX6800 (non xt)

[Kaptain]

Hey guys I need some advice on a gpu purchase. I've recently found a RX6800 (non xt) and a RTX 3070 going for roughly the same price and I'm having a tough time choosing.

I plan on getting a 1440p +144hz monitor in the next month or so. I am aware the RX6800 is a bit faster than the RTX 3070 but has poor ray tracing performance but I haven't tried ray tracing yet at all so don't really have much of an opinion on that.

I'm curious to see what you guys would pick and why.

I'm current set up is:

I9 9900k
32gig 3600 cl18
750w bronze psu
Various ssds, mesh case, ect

 

[dainluke]

If you want or ever feel like you’d want RT, get the 3070. If all your care about is frames, especially in games like COD Cold War, MW, Warzone, and Vanguard, then the 6800 is the card for you. It also performs exceptionally well in Watch Dogs, AC Valhalla, and FarCry 6.

Here’s the kicker: if you don’t intend to buy a new GPU next generation, get the 6800. 8GB of VRAM is absolutely not enough, and NVIDIA is showcasing that themselves with the future 3070 Ti 16GB.

 

[goldfritter]

If you want or ever feel like you’d want RT, get the 3070. If all your care about is frames, especially in games like COD Cold War, MW, Warzone, and Vanguard, then the 6800 is the card for you. It also performs exceptionally well in Watch Dogs, AC Valhalla, and FarCry 6.

Here’s the kicker: if you don’t intend to buy a new GPU next generation, get the 6800. 8GB of VRAM is absolutely not enough, and NVIDIA is showcasing that themselves with the future 3070 Ti 16GB.

Agreed with all these points.

Just one thing: if you intend to play Cyberpunk 2077 and want to run ray tracing with ultra settings at 60+ FPS at 1440p, even a 3070 won't cut it, it's 3080 minimum as far as I can tell based on reviews. I've seen a couple of reviewers describe CP2077 with RT as truly an amazing experience, so I reckon I will wait until 3080s become vaguely affordable. Also newer games than CP2077 that may also have really great RT might also need at least a 3080 to look their best. The upshot of all of this for you: even if you care a lot about RT, even a 3070 isn't going to give you the "definitive" experience of ray tracing. So you may as well forgo RT for now and get the 6800 with bigger VRAM, then get a better ray tracing card somewhere in the future.

That said, with the 3070Ti and 3080 Super models having been revealed officially leaked, it may be worth hanging on a bit, unless you urgently want to get a GPU now.

 

[TRINITRON]

I would suggest getting yourself a better PSU first

 

[Valheru]

Just one thing: if you intend to play Cyberpunk 2077 and want to run ray tracing with ultra settings at 60+ FPS at 1440p, even a 3070 won't cut it, it's 3080 minimum as far as I can tell based on reviews. I've seen a couple of reviewers describe CP2077 with RT as truly an amazing experience, so I reckon I will wait until 3080s become vaguely affordable.

Can confirm, you need to drop the RT settings a bit and enable DLSS to get more than 60FPS. I tuned some of the settings based on the HUB videos and am getting 60-90fps on it (not full everything settings some people prefer).

On Far Cry 6: I have RT reflections ON and RT shadows OFF with FSR on Max. Getting about 80fps avg.

 

[dainluke]

I would suggest getting yourself a better PSU first

750W bronze should be more than fine for a 3070/6800. From personal experience, the 6800 can do as little as 160-180W at relatively high GPU load with a good undervolt.

 

[Areola Grande]

I have a 3070 and disagree with the above comments about Ray Tracing. I play every game with RT (that supports it) and have no issues with performance at 1440p. Obviously I don't get the 165FPS, but my monitor supports G-Sync so you don't notice it.

Also, Cyberpunk is actually perfectly playable at about 50FPS (I get more than this, but just adding this). If you want RT, get the 3070. If not, get the 6800XT.

Normally I'd recommend waiting for the new cards to release as that should drive current pricing down, but in this climate I don't think that will happen.

 

[TRINITRON]

750W bronze should be more than fine for a 3070/6800. From personal experience, the 6800 can do as little as 160-180W at relatively high GPU load with a good undervolt.

Ye the 750w is fine, I was even running my 3070 on a 500w. I was talking more about the Bronze part.

 

[dainluke]

Ye the 750w is fine, I was even running my 3070 on a 500w. I was talking more about the Bronze part.

Ohh, I mean from what I understand the rating doesn’t really matter all that much. At least it’s a bronze. OP wouldn’t really see that noticeable of a benefit with a gold PSU.

I would imagine the 80+ efficiency becomes more of a major factor when approaching the peek power handling capability of the unit (at least from what I understand).

 

[veez007]

I have the exact system with 6800 gpu, handles gaming on my 4k TV just fine, my TV set to play games at 1440 @120hz

 

[goldfritter]

I have a 3070 and disagree with the above comments about Ray Tracing. I play every game with RT (that supports it) and have no issues with performance at 1440p. Obviously I don't get the 165FPS, but my monitor supports G-Sync so you don't notice it.

Also, Cyberpunk is actually perfectly playable at about 50FPS (I get more than this, but just adding this). If you want RT, get the 3070. If not, get the 6800XT.

Normally I'd recommend waiting for the new cards to release as that should drive current pricing down, but in this climate I don't think that will happen.

This is helpful to know... Have you got RT Reflections on, and what are your other settings preset to? For CP2077

 

[Areola Grande]

This is helpful to know... Have you got RT Reflections on, and what are your other settings preset to? For CP2077

Haven't played it in a while, not sure offhand. Preset for either quality or balanced, not sure.

Can check for you later.

 

[Kaptain]

Really appreciate the input guys. Not really into e sports games but do want to try playing things at a refresh rate higher than 60hz for a change so I think read enough to consider getting the 3070, will take a few days to pull the trigger

 

[dainluke]

Really appreciate the input guys. Not really into e sports games but do want to try playing things at a refresh rate higher than 60hz for a change so I think read enough to consider getting the 3070, will take a few days to pull the trigger

In terms of higher FPS, the 6800 scales much much much further. I’ve owned both and the 6800 is definitely significantly faster. The only place the 3070 wins is RT.

 

[goldfritter]

Haven't played it in a while, not sure offhand. Preset for either quality or balanced, not sure.

Can check for you later.

Bamp

 

[Areola Grande]

Bamp

Fok, still haven’t checked it. Remind me tomorrow.


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[JeffTheApricot]

750W bronze should be more than fine for a 3070/6800. From personal experience, the 6800 can do as little as 160-180W at relatively high GPU load with a good undervolt.

yeah, hell even a 650w will cut it.
I had a 3080 and 5800x running off one