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Photo CHOPPED. done wrong

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The lack of GPU is affecting many peoples lives.

ALL the Kardashian fans had to to look puke at an unphotoshopped pic of Khloe because of the lack of a GPU availability.

This madness must end.

#[email protected]*kgamers (every night if possible)


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For those that asked.

She was paid to advertise an iPhone but took pic which another phone. Hence the drama
 
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"the world wasn’t that bad of a place not so long ago."

When I was younger....

all the village idiots could not scream into my ear at once. They had to wait for me to visit...


As an aside @affxct
I knew you needed an intervention once you posted an Evetech purchase thread.

Good job on trying to get help once you recognised the problem.

You posted on purchase, others post on $hafted
 
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The only fact why pricing is where it is - supply and demand. Economics 101. Vote with your wallet people.

Anyways, as long as my beer pricing stays where it is, I don't give a fling.

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"the world wasn’t that bad of a place not so long ago."

When I was younger....

all the village idiots could not scream into my ear at once. They had to wait for me to visit...


As an aside @affxct
I knew you needed an intervention once you posted an Evetech purchase thread.

Good job on trying to get help once you recognised the problem.

You posted on purchase, others post on $hafted
I deleted that comment after like 30 seconds because I thought it was too depressing and negative. I don’t know how you caught it tbh. That’s kinda scary.

You guys are all right for mocking me, there’s no way I’m going to try and defend Evetech when I myself don’t recommend them.

A few days ago I saw it and it looked unreal to me. I can’t pay R6000 for a router. R3500 is a hell of a lot more realistic for me, and I didn’t want to pass it up so I took the risk with the knowledge that all of my friends who’ve ordered there have been given relatively acceptable service.
 

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The only fact why pricing is where it is - supply and demand. Economics 101. Vote with your wallet people.

Anyways, as long as my beer pricing stays where it is, I don't give a fling.

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Most gamers have been voting with their wallets for the longest time. I’m not going to try and spark this whole ‘it’s all the miners’ thing again, but objectively speaking the overpriced deals were by far and large taken by miners with big budgets and who were going to recoup the cash anyway.

From personal experience listing cards over the past few weeks, sales don’t come easy.
 

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Dude, that's cleary photoshop. Miners are not the problem. Please don't have the audacity to go against our resident experts.
Here's what I don't see: 10 photos with 100million visible cards making this the new distributor worldwide clearly,
The 1.3 billion PC Gamers worldwide must all be waiting for them to stop mining:rolleyes:


Just because you get a ladyboner seeing shiny stacks of mining rigs doesn't make them graphics cards
The green lit place? They use Antminer S9 ASICs so not even graphics cards:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
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Whilst at the mall yesterday with friends we walked into a matrix warehouse store a staff member came towards us offering assistance as my bud wanted to buy some ram and other.

"We can install it for you sir the charge fee is R800 per hour"

Friend "Do you perphaps have any rtx 30 series as I do not see them on the shelve?

" Yes they are reserved for clients and prices range from 45 to 60k as the wait period is 6 months nowdays due to shortages etc"

Friend buys ram and off we go for lunch no way would I let him pay R800 their installation fee ROFL
 

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Honestly, for me most of these items feels like 2-4k overpriced. Like 2-4K more than what I would feel is my limit for specific cards.

Then the higher you go the higher the difference from 4-8K I would say.

I would buy a 3080 for 24K. I won't feel great about it but I would do it. But even at 26K I lose interest because 24K is already my absolute limit for that card for example.

On the lower scale we got 2070 and 2070S selling for 12-14K. Where my limit for those are 8-10K respectively. Again I won't feel good about it but I can accept it

It feels just that bit out of range that makes me personally feel its too much to ask for a card and especially an older card with -1 or 2 years on the warranty and at prev gen performance regardless of how well that was.

For older cards it makes me personally even more unwilling knowing these dudes really want to get out plus 50% to 100% of what they paid for it a year or two ago. Like tech doesn't depreciate in value because new tech comes, degradation due to use and passing of warranty time.

It's one thing trying to sell something new due to the market being what it is at the prices being asked. But honestly and I don't mean to offend. Its plain scummy what's happening in the 2nd hand market.

At what point did our gamer pride get eclipsed by our greed?

I remember when I sold my at that time decent system to a dude at honestly too cheap. I thought it was for him and he messaged me saying his kid is loving the system. It made me forget the bad feeling of selling a system I bought for around 20K (2012ish) for 4-6K a couple of years later.

Cause I helped in giving a gamer and in this case the next generation of gamer their first gaming pc.

I can really understand what retailers are going through. I still don't trust them but I can understand.

But for shame secondary market. For shame man.
The 2nd hand market is intrinsically linked to the new market. Thats in any industry

To call it scummy when 2nd hand cards are priced higher than the original price paid is just braindead
 

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Just a correction on "scumbag" prices.
We had the scenario end last year where PS5 was very scares and people wanted it for themselves or there kids for xmas. So people was willing to pay 20k-25k for a PS5 in DEC. We had many threads then also calling people selling at that prices scalpers, thieves, scumbags etc.
Well what do you know, I did not see the same people calling all these gpu resellers scalpers.
Funny? I for one will not call them any names, as its the same as PS5, willing buyer, willing seller at whatever price.
The big difference there is retail stores were selling stock at R 12k and scalpers were selling at 100% markup. You get scalpers with GPUs as well, such as guys selling 3060s for R 30k on Gumtree/Facebook (I haven't seen it here - that doesn't mean it doesn't happen here, I just haven't seen it). PS5 never had a market value of R 25k, whereas GPUs are generally being sold (here) at market value.

Lets reverse the scenario. What if crypto totally crash and miners flood the market with gpu's? Retailers, resellers, scalpers(?) etc will not move one gpu unless they sell it at a loss. Even if they advertise a price at a loss, I and most people will pm them and give even a more lowball offer. Can they then call all buyers scumbags because we taking food of their table, for offering a market related price?
That would be nice, but generally people will pay quite a bit more for a card that hasn't been mined, and the hardcore miners aren't going to sell at giveaway prices. They're treating it as a business and want to get the most out of it possible.

@Oj0 fair enough lol I can see your point there.

The 24-25k card was the (i think) gigabyte card that wasn't sold in that same thread but I made an assumption. So my bad there for sure.
I forgot to lock the thread. It wasn't sold on Carb. It's closed now :p

I still have this feeling man. This is pure speculation on my part. It's always been whether I was yelling I was right or whether I just disagreed.

But whether anyone believes me or not. This feeling I don't get it often. Prob 4-5 times in my life I had it. And it's never been wrong thus far. This could be the first time though ngl.
I would honestly love for you to be right.
  • Customer: Please quote me on an R 80k gaming PC.
  • Me: I can quote on everything except the graphics card, we'll have to revisit that at a later stage. Here's your quote for a Ryzen 5800X, 32GB RAM, 2TB NVMe storage and 8TB HDD storage etc etc etc. I've left R 40k available for a graphics card at a later date.
  • Customer: Well I can't use it without the graphics card, so let's put the whole thing on hold until cards are available again.
I've had situations like that more times than I can count (not all in the R 80k range - some as low as R 20k with the average being in the R 30-45k range) and it's the only reason I'm after GPUs. The knock-on effect is crazy.

Think about it. I can make R 1k selling a graphics card, or I can make R 6k selling a PC including the labour cost which is pure profit (other than my time, but I do builds at night after everyone has gone to bed).

Gamer want too many cards. Minors need to grow up.
Some of those I know for a fact are ASIC farms such as CryptoUniverse, and who's to say that ANY of those cards are recent purchases? Even if they are, they show a few thousand cards at best. I alone have enough backorders from gamers to build a small farm.
 

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@Senshi dude you need to calm down lmfao stop stressing we just chatting

Skimming over this thread, but to shed some light on why we, as resellers, are "stressing".

Imagine a system, or site, you have built for me breaks. It had nothing to do with your code, but for argument's sake, it's a library used.

I start accusing you of being a bad dev, of being dishonest and the more you try to reason with me, the angrier I get. You try to offer me a discount, or the best rate possible, but instead, I call you a charlatan and go on a forum/social platform and start slandering your name.

Imagine this, around 50 - 100 times a day.

Now the example above isn't meant to be a direct comparison, but you get the idea. Also, you'd be able to change/fix said library. For us, there's no alternative here and it's not just GPU sales. It's like @Oj0 mentioned, the knock-on effect carries across builds, parts for builds etc

This isn't pointed at anyone in the thread, but as retailers/resellers we get this all day. On every ad, every social media post, every phone call, every mail. It's just wave after wave of negativity and hostility. Hell, I've had people who tweet about "respect mental health" come at me so hard, I literally just had to ask someone to handle the sales while I sat on the pavement and had a coffee.

This is why you'll find resellers a bit snappy on the topic. It's been so bad, I find myself constantly slipping into various states of apathy and why I haven't actually followed the thread much.
 

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Skimming over this thread, but to shed some light on why we, as resellers, are "stressing".

Imagine a system, or site, you have built for me breaks. It had nothing to do with your code, but for argument's sake, it's a library used.

I start accusing you of being a bad dev, of being dishonest and the more you try to reason with me, the angrier I get. You try to offer me a discount, or the best rate possible, but instead, I call you a charlatan and go on a forum/social platform and start slandering your name.

Imagine this, around 50 - 100 times a day.

Now the example above isn't meant to be a direct comparison, but you get the idea. Also, you'd be able to change/fix said library. For us, there's no alternative here and it's not just GPU sales. It's like @Oj0 mentioned, the knock-on effect carries across builds, parts for builds etc

This isn't pointed at anyone in the thread, but as retailers/resellers we get this all day. On every ad, every social media post, every phone call, every mail. It's just wave after wave of negativity and hostility. Hell, I've had people who tweet about "respect mental health" come at me so hard, I literally just had to ask someone to handle the sales while I sat on the pavement and had a coffee.

This is why you'll find resellers a bit snappy on the topic. It's been so bad, I find myself constantly slipping into various states of apathy and why I haven't actually followed the thread much.
Stay strong bud. As much as people vent on you, they are hating on the system, not on you as a person or as a business. Things will get better eventually.
 

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I can understand how it can be annoying and it can be tough.

But that will never be a justified reason to act like an a-hole towards another human being.

Especially someone new to the community.

It's not even about smack talk is smack talk or having thick skin.

Its about common decency.

Just because the rest of the internet believes being anonymous gives you a free a-hole card.

Doesn't mean we have to follow that trend.

I mean there's a lot of bad people in our country but come on man. I know SA parents teach their children proper manners for the most part.

Anyway, honestly I don't know how it got to the point where it was miners vs gamers and this and that.

But I've started to research and reddit and google and youtube from a miner's perspective. Sun Tzu - know your enemy and all that ish.

Even this SA miner bra says prices has gone down because miners stopped buying.


What kind of made me suspect of a lot of the resellers/retailers (which I never had an issue with originally) is the fact that they acting as if miners are a minor problem when they clearly are not.

Further evidence of this is the fact that resellers have been tagging their sale threads as not LHR. Now tell me in all honesty are you saying that to just inform or do you want to attract miner sales?

@Oj0 has one. And trust me sir I'm not out to make you the bad guy. Who you sell to and whatever else you do is your business. I 100% respect that. I can never fault you or anyone else for that.

But at the same time the experts have been telling us minors are a small issue or non factor.
there has been a bit of a rise in the price of btc due to an announcement from Elon Musk. Chek if GPU prices will rise again now that mining is tiny bit more profitable.
 

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I can understand how it can be annoying and it can be tough.

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Oh man, you would have been an ideal candidate for Flame Zone :p

We want Flame Zone back! :ROFLMAO:

Jokes aside, the rest of my reply is serious.

@Oj0 has one. And trust me sir I'm not out to make you the bad guy. Who you sell to and whatever else you do is your business. I 100% respect that. I can never fault you or anyone else for that.
Yes, I specify what kind of card it is. I also specify which vendor made the card, the model, the GPU it uses, how much memory it has, the price, etc. Reason? So buyers can't turn around and say they didn't know what they were buying. The CPA and ETC Act give the consumer the right to return a product without penalty if it's in resalable condition. I don't want to have to sit with an opened/tested card because there was information I could have given which I didn't.

As for the part of your post I DIDN'T quote (mainly cause it was long, but also because it's basically the rest of your post), I can't remember when last I sold a card to a miner. I have not, however, stopped selling cards to gamers.

Here's a message I sent to a supplier today:

"Reference PU000729
Every GPU you can offer
Nothing lower than a 1660
Delivery to me
Please and thank you"

Reason for that? I got a SWARM of people looking for cards today. I don't know what's special about today, it's not like it's payday or something. I sold two 3090s in the last 24 hours. One I upsold from wanting a 3080 Ti @ R 42,999 due to there being no ETA for more stock and a 15% price difference, the other I sold a Strix 3090 White Edition to at the beginning of the year as part of a rendering workstation (5950X, 128GB RAM, 2x 2TB NVMe, etc) who has been after a second card since placing his order for the system.

Why didn't I sell the first person one of the loads of 3080 Tis I returned last week? The supplier had already sold them all before I even received the credit note.

The conclusion?
  • Miner demand for new cards is down
  • Overall demand is up
  • Prices are up
  • Non-minable cards are selling
  • Had I held onto all of those 3080 Tis I returned, I think I'd have sold most today :( Although many were looking for something more along the lines of a 2060 / 2070 due to budget concerns.
I don't know if the BF6 gameplay trailer from last night plays a role, but gamers are suddenly coming out of the woodwork wanting cards NOAW.

I've gotta love MSI's response to this, though. Let's re-release the GT 710 to combat shortages!

 

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But wouldn't that mean Elon would support it if they move away from gpu mining since gpu mining takes a lot of energy?

Also I heard you cant mine bitcoin with gpus but instead with asics something.
I don't think gpu mining will disappear anytime soon.
You mine alt coins with GPUs and get paid in BTC if you use something like nicehash miner, or you can exchange for btc.
 
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Well, having the information in the product details and saying in the title that this is not a LHR card are two completely different things but like I said I'm really not judging you. I can promise you that. I do respect your hustle.

Also I may be wrong but gamers (at least the bulk of them found in the middle) are budget conscious. The people buying the most expensive cards like the 2080Ti or 1080TI were far outnumbered by the guys buying at the middle namely 1060/70 & 2060/70. So I find it hard to believe that most gamers are buying now. I could be wrong but I have a feeling I'm not. If even miners are hesitant now. Guys that make the money spent on the cards back plus profit. Why would an average joe who works his ass off pay so much for something that's supposed to be cheaper? Doesn't make sense to me and I wouldn't do it. I know a lot of people who won't and I've looked around and saw a lot of people who won't. Again I could be wrong.

But with that being said I can only debate from a common sense point of view. I don't have the expert insight. But like others have mentioned even here on carb cards were flying as soon as they were posted and now they not as much. Also I've noticed a lot of older cards being priced lower and one or two new cards.

@Blood_Bought I think you're right to a certain point. When I said I researched I really did. A lot of the miners say the noobie miners will panic and sell while the OGs will never stop.
I think most will just sell their gpus when they either run out of VRAM or the difficulty is so high that its unprofitable after you paid your electricity bill.
Even when BTC is low you can still just mine and hodl, its a long term thing.
 

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Here's what I don't see: 10 photos with 100million visible cards making this the new distributor worldwide clearly,
The 1.3 billion PC Gamers worldwide must all be waiting for them to stop mining:rolleyes:


Just because you get a ladyboner seeing shiny stacks of mining rigs doesn't make them graphics cards
The green lit place? They use Antminer S9 ASICs so not even graphics cards:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
Ok, let’s slow down there. There might technically be 1.3B total gamers worldwide, but let’s not even for one second pretend even 5-10% of those gamers are the kind willing to drop $700+ on a GPU. A simple visit to the Steam hardware survey page gives you an idea of what most gamers game on. Not to mention that most gamers aren’t even PC gamers.

The reason that stat is a thing is because any smartphone worth more than R1000 these days is capable of delivering some sort of mobile gaming experience, and older consoles can be picked up for dirt cheap.

It’s a pointless thing to reference because it’s almost like you’re trying to say there are 1.3B people waiting for Ampere cards. I’d be surprised if there were even 5M people worldwide willing to spend the equivalent of $700/R10000+ on a gaming card. I’m a mega nerd but I’m not ignorant to the fact that my PC is pointless and you don’t need more than a 1070 for a decent gaming experience.

Another thing, although BTC miners use ASICs, one visit to the ETH mining subreddit will confirm whether or not people are using gaming GPUs for mining.
 
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But we already had miners confirming here, that now they are not just buying any cards anymore
If you are referring to me here, then let me just clear some confusion. My target for mining was always to reach 1GH. I’m currently at 1.02GH. So my target has been reached. Hence I don’t want to buy anymore. Hence it doesn’t make sense for me to spend that much on a gpu anymore. My last 3070 and 3060 I bought at a little less than the current pricing.

I still know of others that are willing to pay current prices for cards.
 

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Can a gpu's vram run out? Like is it consummable?
Mining requires a certain amount of memory. Etherium requires over 4GB, hence 4GB cards are no longer used as much for mining.
 

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Ok, let’s slow down there. There might technically be 1.3B total gamers worldwide, but let’s not even for one second pretend even 5-10% of those gamers are the kind willing to drop $700+ on a GPU. A simple visit to the Steam hardware survey page gives you an idea of what most gamers game on. Not to mention that most gamers aren’t even PC gamers.

The reason that stat is a thing is because any smartphone worth more than R1000 these days is capable of delivering some sort of mobile gaming experience, and older consoles can be picked up for dirt cheap.

It’s a pointless thing to reference because it’s almost like you’re trying to say there are 1.3B people waiting for Ampere cards. I’d be surprised if there were even 5M people worldwide willing to spend the equivalent of $700/R10000+ on a gaming card. I’m a mega nerd but I’m not ignorant to the fact that my PC is pointless and you don’t need more than a 1070 for a decent gaming experience.

Another thing, although BTC miners use ASICs, one visit to the ETH mining subreddit will confirm whether or not people are using gaming GPUs for mining.
Took you a whiiiiiiiiiiile the catch up,too bad you couldn't spot sarcasm a mile away in your rabid chase to prove tenuous arguments after I chastise cherrypicked photos actually disproving rather than proving a point

Then you proceed to AGAIN cherrypick weak stats to prove MORE stretches of the imagination

It's fine though,nonsense like this is a fantastic shitfilter for who to add to ignore in future so proceed,thread's been a literal goldmine

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Took you a whiiiiiiiiiiile the catch up,too bad you couldn't spot sarcasm a mile away in your rabid chase to prove tenuous arguments after I chastise cherrypicked photos actually disproving rather than proving a point

Then you proceed to AGAIN cherrypick weak stats to prove MORE stretches of the imagination

It's fine though,nonsense like this is a fantastic shitfilter for who to add to ignore in future so proceed,thread's been a literal goldmine

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You sound rather heated. I enjoy your tactic though. The good old ‘let’s be a dickhead and then pretend like I’m just trolling when I get respectfully called out.’

As a side note: I decided to visit this thread tonight and noticed your comment. I thought you were being rather unfair toward @Chadd so I gave my two cents. How you perceive it is up to you.
 

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Just picked up the GT 1030 GDDR5 (DDR4 version is hond naai) for R1630, a much better choice for light gaming and especially for media PCs with the HDMI2.0b and superior audio. Another bonus is these cards OC ridiculously well (can get close to stock GTX 1050 performance).

Even the GT710 1GB is a grand, that thing is useless.

Gigabyte GeForce GT 1030 GV-N1030D5-2GL Low Profile 2G GDDR5 Graphics Card
 

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@Vassen ah okay thanks that clears it up for me.

With that being said I know dudes that would pay 50K to put a crazy engine into a car from the late 80ties or early 90ties.

Just because we know some people that would do that doesn't mean everyone will do that.

What is the general consensus in the mining community at the moment? Is it current prices still worth it to them based on current profits?

From what I see on reddit and watch on youtube. Apparently miners dont feel its worth it at these prices because it takes to long to recoup the price of the gpu. Again just speculation based on what I've seen.
I agree. My point wasn’t that everybody would do it, but rather some people are still doing it even at current prices. If you look at the GPU and combo threads, there are still people looking for mining hardware.

There are also those that are selling rx580s at still crazy prices which makes sense from a selling point of view because if the market crashes, then those 3 and 4 year old cards are going to be back to being worth 2k or less

For me, it is still profitable, not like it was 3 weeks ago, but just slightly lower than when I started in January. Whether it continues to be, I have no idea. I see it as an investment and any investment is risky. Im in it for the long term though just like any other investment. Maybe I’m right, maybe I’m wrong, time will tell.
 

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Anybody who buys GPUs now for mining at current pricing is taking a huge risk (imho) if it's pure profit that your after.... so some people mine then covert that coin to their coin of choice and then stake those coins and earn interest on those staked coins....Some mine at a loss and hodl hoping that the coins value will go up. There are a few factors that affect profitability and like anything to do with crypto these variables are extremely volatile.... If you mine to a reputable pool your profitability ( I prefer to use the word turnover) is estimated on a daily/weekly/monthly basis...these are just guidelines wrt your profitability/turnover and can change at the drop of a hat...calculating actual net profit can be complicated and will vary from town to town as the price of electricity is not the same in SA.... you have to factor in efficiency of your psu to calculate this correctly and the ambient temperature will also have an impact and need to account for depreciation of your mining equipment...I have seen that the turnover IE time taken to minimum payout on eth has doubled....this is normally an indication that difficulty has gone up due to more people mining that coin. That IMHO is because we have more ascis miners on the eth blockchain and the changes from the last hard fork....Eth is under huge pressure to go to pos(which will end all gpu mining on the eth blockchain) as cardano is gaining huge momentum and has been dubbed as the "etherium killer" they are in a bit of a catch 22 situation due to what happened to etc with the 51% takeover ....

Please note these are just my opinions and understanding of mining that I have experienced whilst overseeing a friend's farms that used to run at 1GH....Please don't try this at home😁
 

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Hey, bro.. nope.
Resigned to waiting until prices become more normal again.
I know me, and I'll be kicking myself every day for paying double for something that I want and not need.
Until then, this 1070ti will do :)
Thanks for all the help, man.
 

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3070s have just passed 1000 Euros incl VAT in Europe
Next Palit shipment is getting a steep price hike (they were so well priced :( )
Local 3080 Ti has had its second price hike in a month

So over this.
 

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3070s have just passed 1000 Euros incl VAT in Europe
Next Palit shipment is getting a steep price hike (they were so well priced :( )
Local 3080 Ti has had its second price hike in a month

So over this.

Death to all resellers and miners.
















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