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Intel Alder Lake early adopters thread

Friday there was zero stock. Yesterday morning when I last checked there was nothing either.
Clearly checking the wrong places, as they've been in stock constantly for a few weeks now :p I know, cause I monitor their prices daily for combos and updating threads here on Carb.
 
You're comparing 32 thread CPU with 24 thread CPU. So it's not always going to be a fair comparison.
If you want to compare clock for clock of an architecture simply compare 8 cores at fixed frequency then you'll be able to see which is better clock for clock.
As is Golden Cove (P-cores) have highest clock for clock performance on x86.
If you prefer I can prove it to you.
Turn off 1 CCD, then use just 8 at 4.5GHz I'll do the same here, so it'll be 8 core vs 8 core. I promise you Ryzen won't win a single test. I can be assured of this because I checked against 5800X and that was the result.

CPU for CPU of course the 5950X will come out faster in threaded results if only because of the thread count advantage.
5950X is 16 full cores, vs 8 cores and 2 tiny 8 thread atom cores, which can't clock much higher than 4 to 4.1GHz.

But don't take my word for it.
Set your 4.5, pick the benchmarks and we can see for ourselves. ;)

3DMark CPU Profile
1 Thread - 1161 - 5950X @ 5.8GHz - spit051261`s 3DMark CPU PROFILE 1 THREAD score: 1161 marks with a Ryzen 9 5950X

1 Thread - 1191 - 12900K @ 5.5GHz -

300MHz deficient but higher score. Clock for clock, Alder laker got this.
Wait stop right there. You mean to tell me the 8 E-cores without SMT are actually just 2 atom cores with 8 threads that report as 8 E-cores? Whaaaaat? Had you not said I literally would have never know haha. So in that regard the 12600K and 700K have 1 atom core?
 
Clearly checking the wrong places, as they've been in stock constantly for a few weeks now :p I know, cause I monitor their prices daily for combos and updating threads here on Carb.
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So who has adopted? Keen to hear some personal experiences. Awaiting my parts. Bit the bullet and went DDR5 as there are no LGA 1700 DDR4 boards in stock right now and would rather just be on the safe side. Will rather pay the piper now and upgrade the RAM later when G.Skill at a lower CAS latency becomes available as opposed to have to have to buy a new board again later and only get 50% of the DDR4 board's value back when you have to sell it.
My friend grabbed a 12700K and he can't notice much difference in gaming performance vs his 5600X, but this seems to be due to his RAM latency being 49ns, which seems to be because AORUS D4 boards are LITERALLY broken right now with regards to memory training. It is what it is :ROFLMAO:. We're gonna see if the Z690-A Strix he just picked up actually does a proper job.
 
My friend grabbed a 12700K and he can't notice much difference in gaming performance vs his 5600X, but this seems to be due to his RAM latency being 49ns, which seems to be because AORUS D4 boards are LITERALLY broken right now with regards to memory training. It is what it is :ROFLMAO:. We're gonna see if the Z690-A Strix he just picked up actually does a proper job.
Well in terms of gaming performance it really depends. Some games they stick very closely together and in others the 12th gennies obliterate the Ryzen 5000's.


 
Well in terms of gaming performance it really depends. Some games they stick very closely together and in others the 12th gennies obliterate the Ryzen 5000's.


Warzone and Vanguard... I honestly was shocked too. I couldn't believe it. I'm fairly certain if his RAM latency drops to 40ns as it should be, performance will be out the wazoo.
 
Warzone and Vanguard... I honestly was shocked too. I couldn't believe it. I'm fairly certain if his RAM latency drops to 40ns as it should be, performance will be out the wazoo.
Look I'm no expert when it comes to CAS latency. Reviews seems mixed in this regard too. Some say the (what seems to be very high) CAS latency on some of the current DDR5 chips don't make much of a difference while others say it does make a difference.

From what I could see in Paul's Hardware's review in terms of gaming performance the CAS latency doesn't make much of a difference at all. 3FPS here and there.

Then you get others that just totally laments the DDR5 CAS latency.

But like I said, I ain't no expert.

PS: Seems like appropriate punishment for playing vanguard anyway. Just no. Vommit.
 
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Look I'm no expert when it comes to CAS latency. Reviews seems mixed in this regard too. Some say the (what seems to be very high) CAS latency on some of the current DDR5 chips don't make much of a difference while others say it does make a difference.

From what I could see in Paul's Hardware's review in terms of gaming performance the CAS latency doesn't make much of a difference at all. 3FPS here and there.

Then you get others that just totally laments the DDR5 CAS latency.

But like I said, I ain't no expert.

PS: Seems like appropriate punishment for playing vanguard anyway. Just no. Vommit.
Haha no, it’s actually not that at all. We’re basically talking about two completely different things. He’s on DDR4 still on the Z690 Aorus Elite. Basically, the RAM access latency (the actual communication latency between the CPU and D4) is really high because the Z690 Aorus DDR4 boards are bugged and cannot train high freq, let alone train the memory properly at all.

It’s a known issue all over the internet right now (buildzoid also made a video and all the nerds such as myself are complaining). Not sure how D5 would perform, but it’s just too expensive for not much of an upgrade. Saw the Z5s sell out at R7300 on Woot pre-order. Bonkers stuff.

Other than that, his FPS hasn’t improved regardless. I would imagine with DDR5 he’d be doing better than with this really shitty and slow DDR4 config (bad memory training), but regardless I think the Z690 Strix will do well to get him 40ns.

With regards to the whole thing about the importance of RAM:
I downgraded to a 6900 XT but received a RAM upgrade. Between my 3080 Ti with 3733 16-19-19-31-1T Dual Rank (CJR) vs 4000 15-15-15-35-2T Dual Rank (Samsung B-die), and with the B-die obviously having far lower tuned sub-timings, my FPS has increased by at least 50-100 (100 in some niche circumstances).

The old config with the upscaling tech (DLSS/FSR) turned off used to hit 220-240 at a stretch. With this current config, it can easily hit 300, something my old GPU/RAM config couldn’t touch. In terms of the argument of how my cards were set up, the 3080 Ti FTW3 sat at 1860MHz/0.9V/21.5Gbps G6X and the 6900 RD is sitting at 2500MHz/1.1V/16.8Gbps G6.

Both cards were run with the max realistic gaming mem freq, and both cards were undervolted. I may not be an authority on GPUs but I would say 2500MHz on RDNA2 vs 1860MHz on Ampere is pretty fair. Both cards are around 5-10% off their max game clocks. I guess the Ampere card should’ve been clocked 5% higher to make it a fair comparison but whatever 😂.

Basically, RAM speed does matter, and if it doesn’t then the 6900 XT is 50-70 FPS faster than the 3080 Ti in COD’s MP engine. Even with the awesome boost to FPS, my new internet (LTE) is so bad that it literally does not matter and my gaming experience is still dog shit 🌝.
 
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If you peeps are getting high temps on your 12th gen check this.
 
Or refer to BZs video on the topic that actually discusses the issue with what is happening and when it'll be more likely to be beneficial, we're even getting one from Luumi in the next couple of days somewhere.
 
Jay made a vid about 12th gen RAM difficulties
Are any of you guys having RAM issues?

Nothing he said in there was news at all. Intel doesn't support 4 sticks at more than 4000. No QVLs have support for 4 sticks at any form of xmp either. Applies to DDR5 not DDR4 though.
 
Jay made a vid about 12th gen RAM difficulties
Are any of you guys having RAM issues?

Some kits plain have no QC and can be to blame in a lot of cases. It’s the most easy-to-pinpoint reason for D5 issues. Other issues are related to board BIOSs, IMC quality, and the architecture. It’s basically luck of the draw, and if you’re unlucky then you better get good at tweaking real quick.
 

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