I9 9900k help with cooling

[virus786]

 

[Gouhan]

Awesome vid, massive drop ins temps and def worth it if you're handy with all the tech stuff.
9900K is going to remain fastest gaming CPU at least till end of Q2 2020 so well worth the effort I'd think, especially with these summer temps.

 

[el_guapo3291]

Hey bud if you're still having issues with temps pop me a pm and will try to figure out whats up with your cpu I also have a 9900k and have it oc'd to 5.2 ghz and rarely ever see temps above 60c. One of my friends also has a 9900k and he also had heat issues and it turned out his mobo was overvolting his cpu more than necessary.

https://imgur.com/a/nnB0Dp3

 

[No-Rules]

Hey bud if you're still having issues with temps pop me a pm and will try to figure out whats up with your cpu I also have a 9900k and have it oc'd to 5.2 ghz and rarely ever see temps above 60c. One of my friends also has a 9900k and he also had heat issues and it turned out his mobo was overvolting his cpu more than necessary.

https://imgur.com/a/nnB0Dp3

Hi, sure thing thanks

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[pXius]

Hey bud if you're still having issues with temps pop me a pm and will try to figure out whats up with your cpu I also have a 9900k and have it oc'd to 5.2 ghz and rarely ever see temps above 60c. One of my friends also has a 9900k and he also had heat issues and it turned out his mobo was overvolting his cpu more than necessary.

https://imgur.com/a/nnB0Dp3

Thats not an AVX workload, enable FPU at the very least. Or do a proper Prime 95 small FFT run.

Aida64 CPU only barely tickles the chip.

 

[HolyCowImAnoOb]

My custom loop don't have any software to check all temps.
I will log the stats before playing and provide feedback.

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Ensure that the Custom loop is flowing in the right direction on your CPU waterblock. Keep hearing that stuff from the tech dudes on youtube

also

 

[el_guapo3291]

Thats not an AVX workload, enable FPU at the very least. Or do a proper Prime 95 small FFT run.

Aida64 CPU only barely tickles the chip.

AVX barely tickles as well if you use the avx offset like you're meant to. AVX is only useful in specific types of workloads such as rendering there are few other applications that use AVX instructions. Prime 95 is an ancient POS that is irrelevant it produces a workload that is unrealistic and pushes TDP far above any workload can push it. Nevertheless in the words of JayzTwoCents I digress...

https://imgur.com/a/JdIdzt2

 

[pXius]

AVX barely tickles as well if you use the avx offset like you're meant to. AVX is only useful in specific types of workloads such as rendering there are few other applications that use AVX instructions. Prime 95 is an ancient POS that is irrelevant it produces a workload that is unrealistic and pushes TDP far above any workload can push it. Nevertheless in the words of JayzTwoCents I digress...

https://imgur.com/a/JdIdzt2

I wouldn't say you're MEANT to use an offset, it's there if you're unable to get the chip stable with a 0 offset or you can't efficiently cool it under that workload.
Games are starting to implement AVX, like AC and the new COD. You'll see higher temps in those games than an AIDA CPU only workload.

I'm not disagreeing with you that unnecessary voltages applied by the mobo can run the chip way to hot, in fact I completely agree, it's probably the case with too high configured LLC settings or an "AI" overclock.

What I disagree with is using AIDA CPU only as a measure of real world temperatures at any given voltage when modern games will run it hotter.

edit: Sorry, new BF, not COD.

 

[Deago999]

AVX barely tickles as well if you use the avx offset like you're meant to. AVX is only useful in specific types of workloads such as rendering there are few other applications that use AVX instructions. Prime 95 is an ancient POS that is irrelevant it produces a workload that is unrealistic and pushes TDP far above any workload can push it. Nevertheless in the words of JayzTwoCents I digress...

https://imgur.com/a/JdIdzt2

that at stock clocks?
Coretemp says 4.9Ghz?

 

[pXius]

that at stock clocks?
Coretemp says 4.9Ghz?

That's probably because of the AVX offset (3). Will be 5.2 under normal workloads.
@el_guapo3291 can confirm?

Edit, nvm, says so in the imgur caption. So yea, the offset.

 

[Deago999]

That's probably because of the AVX offset (3). Will be 5.2 under normal workloads.
@el_guapo3291 can confirm?

Edit, nvm, says so in the imgur caption. So yea, the offset.

Who delidded your 9900K?

 

[pXius]

AVX barely tickles as well if you use the avx offset like you're meant to. AVX is only useful in specific types of workloads such as rendering there are few other applications that use AVX instructions. Prime 95 is an ancient POS that is irrelevant it produces a workload that is unrealistic and pushes TDP far above any workload can push it. Nevertheless in the words of JayzTwoCents I digress...

https://imgur.com/a/JdIdzt2

Who delidded your 9900K?

I did.

And not one handed with a freaking box cutter like Optimum Tech. That's just stupid. Nick the side of the die and it's very possibly dead.

 

[Deago999]

I did.

And not one handed with a freaking box cutter like Optimum Tech. That's just stupid. Nick the side of the die and it's very possibly dead.

You offer it as a service ?

 

[el_guapo3291]

I wouldn't say you're MEANT to use an offset, it's there if you're unable to get the chip stable with a 0 offset or you can't efficiently cool it under that workload.
Games are starting to implement AVX, like AC and the new COD. You'll see higher temps in those games than an AIDA CPU only workload.

I'm not disagreeing with you that unnecessary voltages applied by the mobo can run the chip way to hot, in fact I completely agree, it's probably the case with too high configured LLC settings or an "AI" overclock.

What I disagree with is using AIDA CPU only as a measure of real world temperatures at any given voltage when modern games will run it hotter.

edit: Sorry, new BF, not COD.

I can run 0 offset at 5.2 Ghz with 1.36v and still stay under 70c or sometimes 75-78c on hot summer days with a AVX load, I just choose not to because I only use avx in blender and I don't feel the extra 200mhz is not a big enough difference in time to render to justify the increased temps, I also have AC Odessey and have never noticed it producing any extra heat, besides overly aggressive LLC lots of mobo manufacturers by default remove all the power limit durations which also causes unnecessary heat generation. As for Aida64 cpu stress test only, yes its not the biggest generator of heat but IMO its the most realistic for normal day to day applications, I typically test stability properly with a combination of the cpu and fpu test and also realbench. Sometimes when I really want to test the limitations of the cooling system I will use OCCT, but those never correlate to daily use and gaming loads so for most people stability in Aida 64 cpu only stress test is enough.

 

[pXius]

You offer it as a service ?

Not really... There's quite a bit more risk involved with soldered chips and I wouldn't be comfortable with someone else's chip. And to properly remove the gallium solder it's best to use something like a minora blade to take off the excess and then use quicksilver solder remover or even liquid metal to dissolve the remaining solder. After that it'll need a polish. I used Brasso and got a mirror finish.

@G3t Wr3k3d offers delidding as a service. Not sure if he does soldered chips.

If you wan't to do it DIY you can get the direct frame etc from Rockit Cool - Performance cooling solutions

 

[pXius]

I can run 0 offset at 5.2 Ghz with 1.36v and still stay under 70c or sometimes 75-78c on hot summer days with a AVX load, I just choose not to because I only use avx in blender and I don't feel the extra 200mhz is not a big enough difference in time to render to justify the increased temps, I also have AC Odessey and have never noticed it producing any extra heat, besides overly aggressive LLC lots of mobo manufacturers by default remove all the power limit durations which also causes unnecessary heat generation. As for Aida64 cpu stress test only, yes its not the biggest generator of heat but IMO its the most realistic for normal day to day applications, I typically test stability properly with a combination of the cpu and fpu test and also realbench. Sometimes when I really want to test the limitations of the cooling system I will use OCCT, but those never correlate to daily use and gaming loads so for most people stability in Aida 64 cpu only stress test is enough.

5.2 with 0 offset @1.36v is a golden chip hands down. (not counting KS) I need 1.42 to achieve the same.

Have you tried 5.3?

 

[el_guapo3291]

5.2 with 0 offset @1.36v is a golden chip hands down. (not counting KS) I need 1.42 to achieve the same.

Have you tried 5.3?

I can do 5.3 all core but not with AVX, temps get way too high because for 5.3 with 0 offset it needs 1.45v and temps then creep into the high 80s low 90s

 

[Deago999]

I need properly assess my OC - When I first tried to OC (the 9900k hadnt been out very long) there were only a handful of guides.
The OC I got was really odd because it was stable for weeks on end, and then just something would set it off and it would BSOD - eventually getting worse and worse. So Im running stock atm.

you can see it thermal throttled and the voltages were not that high .... idk maybe it was some settings causing the unnecessary heat. (this was running Prime 95)

Need some proper settings for my Aurous Master.

 

[G3t Wr3k3d]

Not really... There's quite a bit more risk involved with soldered chips and I wouldn't be comfortable with someone else's chip. And to properly remove the gallium solder it's best to use something like a minora blade to take off the excess and then use quicksilver solder remover or even liquid metal to dissolve the remaining solder. After that it'll need a polish. I used Brasso and got a mirror finish.

@G3t Wr3k3d offers delidding as a service. Not sure if he does soldered chips.

If you wan't to do it DIY you can get the direct frame etc from Rockit Cool - Performance cooling solutions

Deliding a soldiered chip is far more risky than conventional delid.
I have done a 9600k and used a dremel with a polishing wheel to clean the excess soldier off. but its really high risk.

 

[pXius]

I need properly assess my OC - When I first tried to OC (the 9900k hadnt been out very long) there were only a handful of guides.
The OC I got was really odd because it was stable for weeks on end, and then just something would set it off and it would BSOD - eventually getting worse and worse. So Im running stock atm.

you can see it thermal throttled and the voltages were not that high .... idk maybe it was some settings causing the unnecessary heat. (this was running Prime 85)

Need some proper settings for my Aurous Master.

Those are VID's, not your actual voltage. Think of VID's as a voltage table your chip looks up to request a voltage it thinks it needs.
Open the mobo tab.

 

[souljazk]

I'v not read the thread but whats your case cooling like? Specifically around your VRM and heat exhaust.

 

[baasgene]

Coffee lake is a hot boy, my 9700k is running up to 73c under load, normally I wouldn't be happy with those numbers but with Coffee Lake I decided what the hell. Too much hassle to really go into it and try to lower temps.

That's at 1.28v 5ghz. If it was over 80c I would've looked into it.

BTW Op, did you manage to sort out your temp situation?

 

[baasgene]

Okay so having a 9900k now I can tell you this thing is seriously hot when you run avx workloads. a 240 mm radiator is too small, you can immediately pickup in my case that it runs out of storage for the heat. It would just keep on getting hotter over time, gaming wise I barely touch 68c, but AVX benches really taps you out on heat.

I'm buying a 360mm today. I'm hitting 90c 1.29v on AVX Stress testing. Granted I still used some old thermal paste and getting some Thermal Grizzly today, but I will first wait for my 360mm AIO before I apply the Kryonaut.

Will report my findings.