I gave Neutral rating for Brand and state of fans, and then he negative rates me for irrelevant things.

[HnD]

Deal Thread URL: https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?t...-z390-ddr4-32gb-vengeance-3333-closed.416535/
Seller: @alfodr
Buyer: @HnD
Description of Bad Deal: @Colonel Sanders Was helping me to buy a new CPU and MOBO and found this combo as it was it a good price and @Colonel Sanders could vouch for me, so Colonel made a WhatsApp group for myself, Colonel and Alfodr, as soon as we got in contact with him he was already very defensive when we wanted to test the components before buying, as this should be standard procedure. On the day of the collection, we were 15 minutes late for the agreed time as there was load shedding (which we let him know of) and we caught dead robots, during this rush he told us that he's leaving very soon so we could not draw money before we left (as we had to draw money so that we could collect the product if we are happy with it), so on arrival 15 minutes late, my friend started to look at the components as I went to draw money. I got to the ATM and the most I could draw was 5k. I asked him if it was okay if I EFT him the rest in front of him, he agreed after a very long time as he was in the bathroom for very long. I get back pay him in cash and then the Standard Bank app went offline and I could not EFT the money. He proceeded to accuse me of lying until he checked that Standard Bank was actually offline. Luckily someone I could pay back later, paid him the rest and after a few karma lectures from him we left. Just not a great experience.


As I got home and started to deeply look at the PC, all of the so called "Corsair" Fans were all CoolerMaster Fans 5 RGB, and 2 Standard. This was a Corsair case and must of had Case fans with it which he said was included, but only CoolerMaster case fans were there so he obviously took them for himself. Between the CoolerMaster Air Cooler "Stock cooler"(in AD), and the fan was this black sticky paste (looks like car oil) which was actually hidden on all of the black CoolerMaster fans and even a bit on the motherboard. It has taken me days to decontaminate this stuff. Paste was left on the bare AIO, which does not have the box even thought he photo he included there was a box. One of the RGB CoolerMaster fans' RGB is not working. There could be more but I have not even checked because everything is so dirty, Ive only cleaned the stuff I am going to use so far. The Corsair case "modified for airflow" means that blue/maybe RGB logo is ripped out and completely missing and the top piece of the case is also ripped out, but loosely present. The stock CoolerMaster case fans don't even match each other. Some of the fans had makeshift clips on them to clip onto the heat fins. The "Turbo m.2" M.2 heatsink was tossed into motherboard box and was very dirty on the thermal pad. Some missing screws as well which I salvaged from my case and motherboard stuff etc.

I first gave him a rating not explaining all of this, even saying that at least the cpu and motherboard works and I gave him a neutral rating. And now he gives me a NEGATIVE rating and says completely irrelevant and false things, such as, it did not take hours to transfer funds, it took about 10 minutes to retry the standard bank app a few times and then give up and instantly phone someone to eft the money immediately. His rating on me is completely unfair. He was not even honest in his AD about what the product was and what was included as the brand cannot be easily seen on the fans and the black goo was on black fans, as he was severely rushing us, we could not inspect much further, so we just made sure the cpu and motherboard was working and left.

 

[Toxxyc]

@alfodr your input on this?

Also @Colonel Sanders were you the buddy who went along with him?

 

[alfodr]

@alfodr your input on this?

Also @Colonel Sanders were you the buddy who went along with him?

Well, my input remains as is. The funds is showing this morning at 6:40am...

I send pictures to @Colonel Sanders with the PC running. showing the condition.

It is to be expected to receive 2 X Cooler Master fans with a Cooler Master CPU cooler. I preferred Corsair fans - though, so those to were in the box - 4 Corsair RGB fans were in the case with 1 being only RED (LED) and 1 being "non-RGB".

This is exaggerating the condition with words like "ripped out" and "tossed into the box" - beyond belief. I have pictures I send, with the 4k video of the deal, and the paperwork that they inspected the PC and are happy.

They I said I am there from 12:45 - sent whatsapp at 13:40 asking where are they - they replied at 13:43 they are 7 mins away - I said I am leaving at 14:00. They arrived 13:54. But "arrived without cash". The inspection of the case was quickly conducted and considered satisfactory. The case was open and clear for inspection. I ran a CPU bench, I created the boot drive to do the benchmark on. After 5 minutes, I packed everything neatly into the box - and waited untill 15:10 for them to sort out an EFT of the R1000 missing...

Thats my input, and I can back it up with photos, whatsapp timestamps, a witness, CCTV footage, and a 4K video...

 

[LaidToRest]

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[Toxxyc]

Great. @HnD your side?

 

[HnD]

The agreed time to meet was 13:30, which we discussed on WhatsApp, and at 12;45 on the day, he tells me he's there which is a useless piece of information as the meet up time was agreed to be 13:30. We leave at around 12;50 giving ourselves enough time to draw money first and then get there. However, we got caught in unexpected traffic as it was a Saturday and there is never traffic, however there was loadshedding in the area that we were driving through and got caught by dead robots. I informed him of the situation and he was not understanding at all and said that he would be leaving in the next 20 minutes. So thusly we could not draw the money first and had to first arrive and then draw the money simultaneously as we were being severely rushed and did not want to waste our trip all the way to Centurion. The eft of the last R1000 took so long as the standard bank app was offline when I wanted to pay it and I was trying to organize a way to him the last R1000, all the while he is accusing us of lying that the standard bank app is down which took him an extra 10 minutes to check that it was actually down as well as wanting to take "a spare tire" from the Audi we were in as collateral for R1000, which is laughable.

All of his points against me were from situations out of my control, such as load shedding, the standard bank app going offline and him only giving us pertinent information 45 minutes before meeting such as him deciding that the new meet time is at 12;45 decided by him at 12;45, without the mention that the agreed meetup time was 13;30 and considering the location was 20KM's away (leaving at 12.52 is an acceptable time to arrive at 13;30 without traffic however, there was traffic due to loadshedding and we were only 15 minutes late. He was just simply not understanding that these situations were out of everyone's control and continued to be rude, blame uncontrollable situations on us as he is currently doing and rushing us profusely.

Due to all these situations we did not want to waste any more of his precious time so we could not look through the case extremely deeply (and we did not prioritize that as we were rather prioritizing that the Motherboard and CPU were fine) as I would need to unscrew and take off the the fans from the case to see the brand/logo of the fans, as well as the hidden black slime on the inside of the black fans and most of the black slime was between the cooler and the coolers' fan.

"It is to be expected to receive 2 X Cooler Master fans with a Cooler Master CPU cooler. I preferred Corsair fans - though, so those to were in the box - 4 Corsair RGB fans were in the case with 1 being only RED (LED) and 1 being "non-RGB".

No it is expected to receive 1 CoolerMaster fan as there was one CoolerMaster Aircooler. And it is expected to recieve another 2 CoolerMaster fans as the AIO has space for 2 fans. That is a total of 3 fans out of 7 that SHOULD be CoolerMaster, that wasnt mentioned in the AD however, what was mentioned in the ad AND the cash receipt is that there are; ONLY 7 Corsair fans (5 RGB Corsair fans and 2 Case Corsair fans) https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?t...-z390-ddr4-32gb-vengeance-3333-closed.416535/ . I received 5 RGB CoolerMaster fans and 2 CoolerMaster case fans. 2 of the RGB CoolerMaster fans spin but no RGB. No Corsair fans are present in the Corsair case as he has taken them out and replaced them with CoolerMaster as he "I preferred Corsair fans - though" Even though the Ad specifically states that there is 7 Corsair fans, there is not even one. Which he did not disclose to us in person, on WhatsApp, to Colonel or on Carbonite, however is very worried about his last R1000 not reflecting until this morning? He constantly accused us of lying, and gave us karma speeches and was constantly accusing us of trying to steal his money, when he was the one with no ratings, I was the one with a reputable vouch, he was the one lying about the contents in the case as well as the condition of the products which he stated as " Condition - Excellent, Good" When the case, the fans and the AIO condition should have been "In working condition" as they were abysmally dirty.

At the first look at the case you cannot see all of this, as the logos of the fans was not visible unless taken off (apart from the coolers fan, which was coolermaster but we assumed that because it was a coolermaster air cooler it had a coolermaster fan and that the rest should be Corsair fans, and the black sludge was also impossible to see as its inside the fans and between the cooler and fan.

His "photos and 4k recording and Whatsapp timestamps" are irrelevant as they will show the correct times of what happened when, which I do not deny, nor ever did. However, it is why everything happened at those times which is relevant which he does not disclose as it was completely out of anyone's control, he was just not understanding enough of a unlucky situation and he just needs it as a point for his weak case.

I can actually show photos that are relevant to the actual core problem, such as the disgusting black sludge on the fans (which in terms of the law of things would be considered negligent use as there should never be a situation where black sludge could be in a PC) ; the condition of the case AND that not even one of the fans are corsair, even though in the AD it says all the fans are Corsair and now only he says AGAIN "4 Corsair RGB fans were in the case with 1 being only RED (LED) and 1 being "non-RGB" This shows that he not only lied in his AD, but also right now in his response, as he is stating that there are still "4 Corsair fans in the case" when there is none. This lie could rebut his entire argument in terms of if he lies about the corsair fans for a second time, how much else is he STILL lying about.

This whole situation is ridiculous as he knows exactly what he did and what he lied about, and after all of this I give him a neutral rating, just so anyone else buying from him knows what I went through, without giving him a negative to be nice as most of the stuff is in working condition. Then he slaps me with a negative with irrelevant points. You can speak to @Colonel Sanders about the whole situation, he was not with me but he knew what was happening the whole time and knows how ridiculous this all is.

I am upset by the negative review as all the negative points were due to uncontrollable factors, and I would like to change my neutral review to a negative one as I would like to warn future buyers that he lies in his AD's, he lies in person, he lies on WhatsApp, he lies on an official cash receipt (drafted by him too), as well as he was not understanding at all and was rude at every opportunity.

Thank you for you time and effort admins.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

@alfodr your input on this?

Also @Colonel Sanders were you the buddy who went along with him?

No sir, I was not the buddy who went with.

From what I understand, no Corsair fans were included at all.

 

[Toxxyc]

The agreed time to meet was 13:30, which we discussed on WhatsApp, and at 12;45 on the day, he tells me he's there which is a useless piece of information as the meet up time was agreed to be 13:30.

@alfodr is this correct? Was the meetup arranged for 13:30?

We leave at around 12;50 giving ourselves enough time to draw money first and then get there. However, we got caught in unexpected traffic as it was a Saturday and there is never traffic, however there was loadshedding in the area that we were driving through and got caught by dead robots. I informed him of the situation and he was not understanding at all and said that he would be leaving in the next 20 minutes. So thusly we could not draw the money first and had to first arrive and then draw the money simultaneously as we were being severely rushed and did not want to waste our trip all the way to Centurion. The eft of the last R1000 took so long as the standard bank app was offline when I wanted to pay it and I was trying to organize a way to him the last R1000, all the while he is accusing us of lying that the standard bank app is down which took him an extra 10 minutes to check that it was actually down as well as wanting to take "a spare tire" from the Audi we were in as collateral for R1000, which is laughable.

All of his points against me were from situations out of my control, such as load shedding, the standard bank app going offline and him only giving us pertinent information 45 minutes before meeting such as him deciding that the new meet time is at 12;45 decided by him at 12;45, without the mention that the agreed meetup time was 13;30 and considering the location was 20KM's away (leaving at 12.52 is an acceptable time to arrive at 13;30 without traffic however, there was traffic due to loadshedding and we were only 15 minutes late. He was just simply not understanding that these situations were out of everyone's control and continued to be rude, blame uncontrollable situations on us as he is currently doing and rushing us profusely.

Due to all these situations we did not want to waste any more of his precious time so we could not look through the case extremely deeply (and we did not prioritize that as we were rather prioritizing that the Motherboard and CPU were fine) as I would need to unscrew and take off the the fans from the case to see the brand/logo of the fans, as well as the hidden black slime on the inside of the black fans and most of the black slime was between the cooler and the coolers' fan.

I can understand this, yes. I would have understood if it was load shedding, I've been in similar situations before. @alfodr if the first question is true, why book your next place to be 30 minutes later when a running PC is to be inspected?

"It is to be expected to receive 2 X Cooler Master fans with a Cooler Master CPU cooler. I preferred Corsair fans - though, so those to were in the box - 4 Corsair RGB fans were in the case with 1 being only RED (LED) and 1 being "non-RGB".

No it is expected to receive 1 CoolerMaster fan as there was one CoolerMaster Aircooler. And it is expected to recieve another 2 CoolerMaster fans as the AIO has space for 2 fans. That is a total of 3 fans out of 7 that SHOULD be CoolerMaster, that wasnt mentioned in the AD however, what was mentioned in the ad AND the cash receipt is that there are; ONLY 7 Corsair fans (5 RGB Corsair fans and 2 Case Corsair fans) https://carbonite.co.za/index.php?t...-z390-ddr4-32gb-vengeance-3333-closed.416535/ . I received 5 RGB CoolerMaster fans and 2 CoolerMaster case fans. 2 of the RGB CoolerMaster fans spin but no RGB. No Corsair fans are present in the Corsair case as he has taken them out and replaced them with CoolerMaster as he "I preferred Corsair fans - though" Even though the Ad specifically states that there is 7 Corsair fans, there is not even one. Which he did not disclose to us in person, on WhatsApp, to Colonel or on Carbonite, however is very worried about his last R1000 not reflecting until this morning? He constantly accused us of lying, and gave us karma speeches and was constantly accusing us of trying to steal his money, when he was the one with no ratings, I was the one with a reputable vouch, he was the one lying about the contents in the case as well as the condition of the products which he stated as " Condition - Excellent, Good" When the case, the fans and the AIO condition should have been "In working condition" as they were abysmally dirty.

At the first look at the case you cannot see all of this, as the logos of the fans was not visible unless taken off (apart from the coolers fan, which was coolermaster but we assumed that because it was a coolermaster air cooler it had a coolermaster fan and that the rest should be Corsair fans, and the black sludge was also impossible to see as its inside the fans and between the cooler and fan.

This is also a point of concern for me. @alfodr your ad states Corsair fans all round, 2 x regular chassis fans and 5 x RGB fans, all included in your ad. I'd also be peeved if I only got a bunch of dirty Cooler Master fans - specially if some of those don't even work on RGB as stated. What's the story here?

His "photos and 4k recording and Whatsapp timestamps" are irrelevant as they will show the correct times of what happened when, which I do not deny, nor ever did. However, it is why everything happened at those times which is relevant which he does not disclose as it was completely out of anyone's control, he was just not understanding enough of a unlucky situation and he just needs it as a point for his weak case.

I can actually show photos that are relevant to the actual core problem, such as the disgusting black sludge on the fans (which in terms of the law of things would be considered negligent use as there should never be a situation where black sludge could be in a PC) ; the condition of the case AND that not even one of the fans are corsair, even though in the AD it says all the fans are Corsair and now only he says AGAIN "4 Corsair RGB fans were in the case with 1 being only RED (LED) and 1 being "non-RGB" This shows that he not only lied in his AD, but also right now in his response, as he is stating that there are still "4 Corsair fans in the case" when there is none. This lie could rebut his entire argument in terms of if he lies about the corsair fans for a second time, how much else is he STILL lying about.

I'd like to see the WhatsApp conversations, with pictures, as well as the footage, please, from both. You can upload it to Google Drive and send me the share link via PM. I'd like to see what was said and what transpired.

 

[alfodr]

@alfodr is this correct? Was the meetup arranged for 13:30?


I can understand this, yes. I would have understood if it was load shedding, I've been in similar situations before. @alfodr if the first question is true, why book your next place to be 30 minutes later when a running PC is to be inspected?


This is also a point of concern for me. @alfodr your ad states Corsair fans all round, 2 x regular chassis fans and 5 x RGB fans, all included in your ad. I'd also be peeved if I only got a bunch of dirty Cooler Master fans - specially if some of those don't even work on RGB as stated. What's the story here?


I'd like to see the WhatsApp conversations, with pictures, as well as the footage, please, from both. You can upload it to Google Drive and send me the share link via PM. I'd like to see what was said and what transpired.

100% - I'm getting everything ready

 

[HnD]

Awesome, I will upload pictures of the fans and case tomorrow💪🏼💪🏼

 

[Toxxyc]

From what I can see on the chat, the buyer even sent you a screenshot of the ad with the ad stating Corsair fans, and the buyer actually mentioned that he wants the Corsair fans as they're "better quality", but then you just gave him Cooler Master fans. I still don't have an answer on that, @alfodr. The bill of sale seems to have been sneakily changed to just state "5 x Chassis (4 RGB Fans + 1 LED), with no mentioning of the Corsair fans at all. This is one of the key points I'm trying to get to here.

I also see the meeting time WAS given as 13:30, and then you said "14:00 I'm gone".

Expecting them to want to test a PC from a new member is NOT odd, it's pretty regular, IMO.

Finally, your 4K video isn't 4K, it's 1080p, and it's just 12 seconds showing the boot sequence and the PC running. That's it. There's nothing else in there, no discussions, nothing, so it's not really anything to go on.

 

[alfodr]

From what I can see on the chat, the buyer even sent you a screenshot of the ad with the ad stating Corsair fans, and the buyer actually mentioned that he wants the Corsair fans as they're "better quality", but then you just gave him Cooler Master fans. I still don't have an answer on that, @alfodr. The bill of sale seems to have been sneakily changed to just state "5 x Chassis (4 RGB Fans + 1 LED), with no mentioning of the Corsair fans at all. This is one of the key points I'm trying to get to here.

I also see the meeting time WAS given as 13:30, and then you said "14:00 I'm gone".

Expecting them to want to test a PC from a new member is NOT odd, it's pretty regular, IMO.

Finally, your 4K video isn't 4K, it's 1080p, and it's just 12 seconds showing the boot sequence and the PC running. That's it. There's nothing else in there, no discussions, nothing, so it's not really anything to go on.

Well, do what you must then...
Bill of sale is clear.
I rated him on being late, and no payment from the buyer.

 

[alfodr]

They arrived @ 14:00 (Still late)
They only managed to scrape together the money after 15:00...
I said "I'm gone by 14:00 -> because the premises was closing and waiting for them to pitch...

 

[alfodr]

Its clear - the deal has changed. I stated that too.
If he wasn't happy with the hardware - why try so hard to get it?
Are you being biased to him? Regarding a private sale - not relating to the person who contacted me on Carbonite, or the deal ("feeler") on Carbonite?

 

[Dom]

They arrived @ 14:00 (Still late)
They only managed to scrape together the money after 15:00...
I said "I'm gone by 14:00 -> because the premises was closing and waiting for them to pitch...

Did you disclose this beforehand or only conveniently on the day?

 

[Toxxyc]

Well, do what you must then...
Bill of sale is clear.
I rated him on being late, and no payment from the buyer.

Bill of sale is NOT clear, that's my point. You advertise A, but sell B, with no proof that you disclosed this. I'm not being biased, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. I don't know either of you from a bar of soap.

The direction this is going isn't great though, I'll admit. A simple "sorry, I wanted them for myself" would have sufficed. Then I'd have said "reverse the deal and everyone go on their merry way".

The fact that only part of the money was brought along would have ticked me off as well, I agree. That's some poor planning and should be taken into account for future purchases.

 

[HnD]

Bill of sale is NOT clear, that's my point. You advertise A, but sell B, with no proof that you disclosed this. I'm not being biased, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. I don't know either of you from a bar of soap.

The direction this is going isn't great though, I'll admit. A simple "sorry, I wanted them for myself" would have sufficed. Then I'd have said "reverse the deal and everyone go on their merry way".

The fact that only part of the money was brought along would have ticked me off as well, I agree. That's some poor planning and should be taken into account for future purchases.

Oh for sure, I should have had all of the money drawn before I got there. But that was the plan, the plan was to not get caught by the loadshedding and get to a bank first. Unfortunately, we were rushed into making another plan as he stated “14:00 and I’m gone” which is literally why everything else took so long.

As it caused me having to go to a mall that I’ve never been in, run around to look for the banks which was across the mall, sprint all the way back to try be as considerate as possible. Scratching my mates car in the process which I still have to pay for😂🤦🏻‍♀️

All I would like to do, is change my neutral rating on his profile to Negative as I was first trying to be nice and stating that “at the price I would deal with it”, but then he negatively rated me for things that he caused, if we weren’t rushed, the money would have been ready before hand, we could have benched, paid and left, but no, we only had till 14:00 even though the agreed time was 1:30 and there was loadshedding which we did disclose. I feel I am unfairly rated for no reason when at all times I was trying to do everything as quickly and effienciently as possible, but it’s only so effective if the seller does not want to work with you, and rushes you probably for the fact so that I would not check the case or see the bill correctly.

The ratings are as follows “you literally scammed me of way more expensive fans, but at least the cpu and motherboard works, but there was a lot to go through for this sale, I give a neutral as the mobo and cpu work” and he is “I know I scammed you of your fans and you had to run around strange malls for me, and everything was so dirty it took days to clean, here’s a negative rating for reasons that I mostly caused”

I will post the photos in the Dropbox now

 

[iamjackssicksenseofhumour]

Well, do what you must then...
Bill of sale is clear.
I rated him on being late, and no payment from the buyer.

But why negative instead of neutral. You got the money in the end. He didn't scam you.

 

[HnD]

Disgusting fans

Shared with Dropbox

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[alfodr]

Bill of sale is NOT clear, that's my point. You advertise A, but sell B, with no proof that you disclosed this. I'm not being biased, I'm trying to get to the bottom of this. I don't know either of you from a bar of soap.

The direction this is going isn't great though, I'll admit. A simple "sorry, I wanted them for myself" would have sufficed. Then I'd have said "reverse the deal and everyone go on their merry way".

The fact that only part of the money was brought along would have ticked me off as well, I agree. That's some poor planning and should be taken into account for future purchases.

I agree - but I just want to point out that - the deal has changed - therefore, i.m.o - it is no longer "comparable" to the advertisement. The case was there, it's not like he received it in the mail. He could've objected in the 1+ hours he spent there with me. He could've pointed out ANYTHING he had a concern with. But he didn't. I'm not trying to scam anyone. In fact - I'll buy him 4 Corsair fans - cause I feel for the young guy. I just feel it's a bit unfair - to not positive rate me, based on the fans, and comment on a bad experience, and what not.,. Yet - they were late, didn't come with the cash, etc. I would've given them a positive rating in return. Simple. This is really turning into a "fan" issue. Where - in fact, I should've been rated on:
1. Accommodating their late coming...
2. Allowing them time to leave, and source the funds...
3. Allowing them take the goods without full payment... cause they only came back with R5k

That sounds like a good seller? Why rate me on the fans only?

Anyways - I will send him 4 Corsair fans... How's that. If he is willing to pay delivery.

 

[Dom]

I agree - but I just want to point out that - the deal has changed - therefore, i.m.o - it is no longer "comparable" to the advertisement. The case was there, it's not like he received it in the mail. He could've objected in the 1+ hours he spent there with me. He could've pointed out ANYTHING he had a concern with. But he didn't. I'm not trying to scam anyone. In fact - I'll buy him 4 Corsair fans - cause I feel for the young guy. I just feel it's a bit unfair - to not positive rate me, based on the fans, and comment on a bad experience, and what not.,. Yet - they were late, didn't come with the cash, etc. I would've given them a positive rating in return. Simple. This is really turning into a "fan" issue. Where - in fact, I should've been rated on:
1. Accommodating their late coming...
2. Allowing them time to leave, and source the funds...
3. Allowing them take the goods without full payment... cause they only came back with R5k

That sounds like a good seller? Why rate me on the fans only?

Anyways - I will send him 4 Corsair fans... How's that. If he is willing to pay delivery.

You made material changes to the deal out of spite; things were beyond his control (you seemed like you were being a bit unreasonable); stop diminishing him by calling him a "young guy"; you helped with the deal to the bare minimum.

The rating is of a personal experience & i think that the larger community would have given you a neutral at best (a negative is deserved IMHO).

 

[TheJudge]

I agree - but I just want to point out that - the deal has changed - therefore, i.m.o - it is no longer "comparable" to the advertisement. The case was there, it's not like he received it in the mail. He could've objected in the 1+ hours he spent there with me. He could've pointed out ANYTHING he had a concern with. But he didn't. I'm not trying to scam anyone. In fact - I'll buy him 4 Corsair fans - cause I feel for the young guy. I just feel it's a bit unfair - to not positive rate me, based on the fans, and comment on a bad experience, and what not.,. Yet - they were late, didn't come with the cash, etc. I would've given them a positive rating in return. Simple. This is really turning into a "fan" issue. Where - in fact, I should've been rated on:
1. Accommodating their late coming...
2. Allowing them time to leave, and source the funds...
3. Allowing them take the goods without full payment... cause they only came back with R5k

That sounds like a good seller? Why rate me on the fans only?

Anyways - I will send him 4 Corsair fans... How's that. If he is willing to pay delivery.

I think this is where people are getting confused and why the fans are central to how we're seeing it.

You advertised Corsair fans. You however say the deal changed. When did the deal change? How was that change communicated and when? Did you say to him you were no longer providing Corsair fans or wasn't that mentioned? If not mentioned was the expectation on your side that they would notice when seeing the case? That's where things are kinda falling down for us folk seeing this develop.

 

[alfodr]

But why negative instead of neutral. You got the money in the end. He didn't scam you.

The reverse is true - that's why I waited for his review first. Why not a positive rating - for being accommodating and understanding? And my rating was based on what "if the cash was green and smelt like cash"? The sales experience from my side was, too, not nice - and I haven't received the money - after 48hrs. So negative, based on:
1. Also not nice experience,
2. Not receiving a positive rating whilst being accommodating and
3. Not receiving payment after 48hrs

As said in the messages "We will pay cash or EFT". Why is that not mentioned anywhere? But photos of tissue-paper is uploaded. Why a neutral rating - for dirty fans? And a getting into the length of my toilet breaks, and Days of Our Lives style BS...

Yet.. I am STILL trying to be accommodating. I haven't insulted him, I didn't run, I show my profile picture, I share my details, I support the Carbonite community - and I am trying to build a good reputation.

I have provided an offer to send him 4 Corsair fans to just get this soapy out of the way. What more should I do.... HONESTLY?

 

[Dom]

The reverse is true - that's why I waited for his review first. Why not a positive rating - for being accommodating and understanding? And my rating was based on what "if the cash was green and smelt like cash"? The sales experience from my side was, too, not nice - and I haven't received the money - after 48hrs. So negative, based on:
1. Also not nice experience,
2. Not receiving a positive rating whilst being accommodating and
3. Not receiving payment after 48hrs

As said in the messages "We will pay cash or EFT". Why is that not mentioned anywhere? But photos of tissue-paper is uploaded. Why a neutral rating - for dirty fans? And a getting into the length of my toilet breaks, and Days of Our Lives style BS...

Yet.. I am STILL trying to be accommodating. I haven't insulted him, I didn't run, I show my profile picture, I share my details, I support the Carbonite community - and I am trying to build a good reputation.

I have provided an offer to send him 4 Corsair fans to just get this soapy out of the way. What more should I do.... HONESTLY?

Accept his opinion of how the deal went (badly & warranting a negative) and shush?

 

[alfodr]

I have ordered 4 X 120mm Corsair RGB fans @ R1,240.00... When I receive them - I will send them via courier.

Note. This is by NO means admitting my fault - or taking blame...

 

[Jacobu]

So negative, based on:
1. Also not nice experience,
2. Not receiving a positive rating whilst being accommodating and
3. Not receiving payment after 48hrs

Bullet point number two there is like an admission of guilt.
It is not your job to give yourself a rating and act out of spite when the person who's job it actually is doesn't agree.

 

[Areola Grande]

Good on you for providing the Corsair fans - that's the right move.

Overall, pretty bad deal from both parties for various reasons.

You didn't sell what you advertised (the fan swap).
The PC is very dirty.
Poor attitude.

He was late.
He didn't arrive with payment.
He didn't thoroughly check the PC.

At this point I'd just agree to each leave a neutral and (assuming you have been paid and he is happy with the fan replacement) and call it a day.

 

[moedeez]

I have ordered 4 X 120mm Corsair RGB fans @ R1,240.00... When I receive them - I will send them via courier.

Note. This is by NO means admitting my fault - or taking blame...

You could have set the delivery location to @HnD 's address, depending on where you ordered them from you might still be able to change it.

 

[alfodr]

I think this is where people are getting confused and why the fans are central to how we're seeing it.

You advertised Corsair fans. You however say the deal changed. When did the deal change? How was that change communicated and when? Did you say to him you were no longer providing Corsair fans or wasn't that mentioned? If not mentioned was the expectation on your side that they would notice when seeing the case? That's where things are kinda falling down for us folk seeing this develop.

The deal changed on WhatsApp - and that's why I say - people are seeing the original post - not the Bill of Sale. I didn't change any fans, and they are, and were, there, open, to be inspected. If I accidently claimed an incorrect brand for a fan or 2, it's possible. I didn't, honestly, verify each fan. I know there were CoolerMaster fans, as it was CoolerMaster heatsink and radiator, etc. But I didn't at any point change them, try to deceive anyone, or nothing. He could've PM'd me - and I could've sortted it out - but he resorted to this fiasco instead. Why?

1. If the fans/brand are so important - inspect them, during buying - don't buy something that you don't want - then go complain. They were 1h15 on site, with the PC.
2. If you are signing a bill of sale, check the items
3. I'm fair - talk to me - don't jump on the threads, and start a childish social media rant...

 

[Macqwack]

3. I'm fair - talk to me - don't jump on the threads, and start a childish social media rant...

I could be wrong. But he started this because you gave him a negative rating because he gave you a neutral? Why didn't you talk to him about ratings before you posted a negative? The revenge rating seems pretty childish to me.