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I've been happy with my HE 400is up until now, but tempted to try something new. Would the 6xx be a decent switch? Or what else is there worth considering?

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What do these go for now? Last I saw they were still very expensive, how much of an improvement would this be over DT990s for gaming?

Which is the better model HD800 / s?


Saw this video mentioned on the avforums and he had this DT990s ranked at the bottom. Would any of you agree with his opinions?
 
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What do these go for now? Last I saw they were still very expensive, how much of an improvement would this be over DT990s for gaming?

Which is the better model HD800 / s?

Saw this video mentioned on the avforums and he had this DT990s ranked at the bottom. Would any of you agree with his opinions?

I would say HD800 is a good baseline and a starting point for "hi fi" stuff.
HD800S is really hard to find compared to the non S. Second hand HD800 can go for R6500-10000 depending on the condition.
 
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What do these go for now? Last I saw they were still very expensive, how much of an improvement would this be over DT990s for gaming?

Which is the better model HD800 / s?


Saw this video mentioned on the avforums and he had this DT990s ranked at the bottom. Would any of you agree with his opinions?
Entirely subjective, I have used Dt990 for music production and gaming and would be hard pressed to ever change.
 
Entirely subjective, I have used Dt990 for music production and gaming and would be hard pressed to ever change.
I struggled to get through that video. I mean if you're going to make a list at least give a link to it (can't remember what was where 5 minutes into the video). If you're not going to give an actual list/table then use names, again does he expect every viewer to recognise all those by sight? I reckon anyone who can already has their opinion of what goes where.
 
Does no one have a source for replacement earpads?
Mine have flattened out and hurt my ears and cause neck pain strangely enough.
I bought original replacement pads from a store recommended by the local distributor for Beyerdynamic (as they do not sell to the end user directly). I am in Cape Town, and the store recommended to me was Home * Musiekwêreld.

They did not have stock, but the distributor had stock (which I knew as I had spoken to the distributor moments ago). They ordered the pads from the distributor, and let me know when it arrived. I went to collect and it was indeed OEM pads for the DT990.

I paid under R400 for the replacement set which was a bargain IMO considering the exchange rate. I reckon the store has a decent markup policy which didn't exploit the fact that these were literally chicken teeth up until that point in my search for OEM pads.

This was late January this year. Pre-covid so ymmv wrt pricing.
 
I bought original replacement pads from a store recommended by the local distributor for Beyerdynamic (as they do not sell to the end user directly). I am in Cape Town, and the store recommended to me was Home * Musiekwêreld.

They did not have stock, but the distributor had stock (which I knew as I had spoken to the distributor moments ago). They ordered the pads from the distributor, and let me know when it arrived. I went to collect and it was indeed OEM pads for the DT990.

I paid under R400 for the replacement set which was a bargain IMO considering the exchange rate. I reckon the store has a decent markup policy which didn't exploit the fact that these were literally chicken teeth up until that point in my search for OEM pads.

This was late January this year. Pre-covid so ymmv wrt pricing.
Thanks for this, I have contacted them
 
What do these go for now? Last I saw they were still very expensive, how much of an improvement would this be over DT990s for gaming?

Which is the better model HD800 / s?


Saw this video mentioned on the avforums and he had this DT990s ranked at the bottom. Would any of you agree with his opinions?
Holy sh1t this guy is full of crap.
DT990 is widely known as great headphones for neutral response production yet he says they are just not good.
 
Holy sh1t this guy is full of crap.
DT990 is widely known as great headphones for neutral response production yet he says they are just not good.
It's headphones, personal taste wins over all. Personally, I absolutely detest the DT990. They are just so bright and sibilant I can bear to listen to it for more then 5-10 minutes.

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So just though I would brag a little....
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Dat cable tho

I'd give em a week if they were mine no matter how careful I tried to be.
 


Dat cable tho

I'd give em a week if they were mine no matter how careful I tried to be.
man, don't scare my ass like this
 
K. I think I've stretched the poor little Sennie GSX1200 as far as it'll go now.

I now have the Fidelio X2 (I suppose I could still upgrade this to the HR)
The AKG K7XX
Logitech G-Pro X
And I just got the Turtle Beach Elite Atlas (which Zeos approves of).
(and the garbage G4ME Zero that actually makes me physically sick)

Would have liked to get the MH752/1 but it seems I slept on the fence too long there (and then likely would only have that instead of G-Pro X and Elite Atlas)


Don't think the GSX has anymore juice for anything classier than my meagre little collection. Maybe if I someday get my hands on a Monoprice THX Portable I can climb further down but for now I reckon this is the size of my hole.
 
So I've done some real A/B testing, jumping from headphone to headphone rather than relying on past listening memory for the first time

The shootout participants.
ASUS Strix 7.1 (True surround 4 drivers per ear) - set to Stereo mode
Turtle Beach Elite Atlas running off Sennheiser GSX1200
Elite Atlas running off onboard audio
AKGK7XX running off GSX1200
Philips Fidelio X2 running off GSX1200
Logitech G-Pro X running off GSX1200
Sennheiser G4ME Zero running off GSX1200
I suppose I should have done one with the Logitech G-Pro X running off it's own USB dongle but I can tell you that thing is garbage VS my other gear without including it in this test.

I'm no great music listener so I used The Vile Peaks soundtrack from FF13 as this is where I noticed the biggest sound differences and then the bassy start of the Taylor Swift song - Ready for it



Results:
I am definitely a closed can kind of guy, or maybe semi-open at most. If I try to smother the cups of the K7XX with my hands the sound of it improves tremendously for me.

My GSX1200 is definitely still better than my onboard sound despite the new motherboard.

I really really like the sound the Elite Atlas makes. It might not always win but it's definitely my best all-rounder. Nothing is over-emphasized or crushed, it just sometimes now and again reminds you that it's not audiophile royalty by running out of range to play with. As an example of that running out of legroom it seems to drop off at 30hz already rather than making it down to 20 like the X2 and K7XX.

The AKG K7XX has the highest quality sound by a significant margin but it's so open. It's like holding a concert on a meadow in the Alps, there's nothing for the sound to bounce off of it just keeps going and going and going and as a result one has to increase the volume quite a bit to make it comparable to the others to make sure those little sounds don't just trail off to nowhere without ever being heard.

The X2 produces the best sound but it has the tendency to hide sounds/let sounds overshadow others.

The Logitech G-Pro X is narrow as heck and lets bass and occasionally others sounds crush other sounds. It can sound the best of the lot but at the same time you can clearly hear it has limited range.

The G4ME Zero sounds like I'm listening to a recording of a recording. It's flat and lifeless and yet claustrophobic (probably due to the Sennie clamp which I do not get along with as it's likely the reason these headphones can make me physically sick).

The Strix 7.1 is my most powerful audio device by a significant margin (which stands to reason I guess running off 2 USBs rather than one like the GSX1200). When you combine that power with the large cups you get really good sound despite the frowned upon 4-driver per ear configuration. You can sometimes hear it's not audiophile quality but other times it's as good if not more pleasing than the other headphones/headsets in this shootout.

Overall though the winner in my current selection is the Elite Atlas. Just like the G-Pro X you can sometimes hear the limitation in range or space VS the audiophile selection but within the range and space it has access to it is just stellar. Bass response is phenomenal being the most visceral and yet the least muddy (not that the K7XX or X2 are muddy but they don't quite achieve the same visceral level although the X2 comes close). And yet no other part of the track feels drowned out to achieve this. I just love them. If they have one drawback it's that together with the G-Pro X they are the noisiest of the headphones/headsets when nothing is playing, the hiss just never stops till sound plays. So you don't really want to keep them on your ears if you aren't using them.

The Elite Atlas is also the cheapest of the bunch. You can currently grab them on Carb from @TManJones for 1.5K + shipping. This makes them a total no-brainer for anyone looking for new headphone who hasn't jumped into the audio hole yet or someone who has jumped but is now looking for some closed cans.



Just a quick note about gaming. Despite everything that is usually said about sound stage and imaging and how 4-drivers per ear are not an advantage the Strix has the best positioning. Maybe it's not due to the driver configuration but rather the size of the cups and the power of its amp but it's definitely best. Next up is the Elite Atlas just slightly behind. The K7XX can't compete because whilst it's directionality is on par with the Strix or Elite Atlas it has no distance approximation, a monster could be behind me or roaring at me from miles and miles away. The X2 on the other hands has the same problem as the G-Pro X in that its narrow, however being open backed its a little less narrow than the G-Pro X, but too narrow to be of great aid when it comes to positioning. And let's not even talk of the G4ME Zero which sounds like playing a game through a kid's can-string telephone from an adjacent room by comparison to the others.
 
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Decided it would be best to start a new post for this since the other one got fairly lengthy.

So let's see do you guys think there are some other headies I should still try keeping in mind my preference for closed and the limited power the GSX1200? Maybe a DT770 32 Ohm (not 990 as I prefer the bassier approach to the more treble heavy approach)?

Do you guys think the missing or overshadowed sounds of the X2 would be fixed by moving to the X2HR?

Given I'm not into music much do you guys have any suggestions for other songs I could maybe seek out on spotify for some more/better A/B testing?

My sister also got the Cooler Master MH630 this week so I still want to A/B them a little later too and see where they stack up compared to the others. I suspect they'll slot in just after the Elite Atlas.
 
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Decided it would be best to start a new post for this since the other one got fairly lengthy.

So let's see do you guys think there are some other headies I should still try keeping in mind my preference for closed and the limited power the GSX1200? Maybe a DT770 32 Ohm (not 990 as I prefer the bassier approach to the more treble heavy approach)?

Do you guys think the missing or overshadowed sounds of the X2 would be fixed by moving to the X2HR?

Given I'm not into music much do you guys have any suggestions for other songs I could maybe seek out on spotify for some more/better A/B testing?

My sister also got the Cooler Master MH630 this week so I still want to A/B them a little later too and see where they stack up compared to the others. I suspect they'll slot in just after the Elite Atlas.

I'm a V-moda fan for efficient closed back bass canons.

I've not tried the original X2, but I doubt there's any perceivable difference to the X2HR. I'd rather experiment with EQ to bring up the mids.

I stick to my FLAC library for A/B testing. Strobe by Deadmau5 has been a staple.
 
I'm a V-moda fan for efficient closed back bass canons.

I've not tried the original X2, but I doubt there's any perceivable difference to the X2HR. I'd rather experiment with EQ to bring up the mids.

I stick to my FLAC library for A/B testing. Strobe by Deadmau5 has been a staple.

Hmm, V-Moda, with all the hype for their cable mic I almost forgot that they also make headphones. I remember checking reviews for the LP2 when I saw one pop up on Carb a few months ago but it seems it was kinda trash. So their higher end stuff is significantly better then?

Zeos found the HR to be a significant upgrade and add that missing something to the X2. I'm just not sure his and my missing elements are the same thing. I don't understand music well enough to know whether the missing sounds lie in the mids.

Also wow.....Strobe...what a boring excuse for music for the most part. Though I suppose bassy and rangey enough to give headphones a good testing. Don't think that will be joining my A/B list anytime soon, though thanks for the suggestion.
 
Hmm, V-Moda, with all the hype for their cable mic I almost forgot that they also make headphones. I remember checking reviews for the LP2 when I saw one pop up on Carb a few months ago but it seems it was kinda trash. So their higher end stuff is significantly better then?

Zeos found the HR to be a significant upgrade and add that missing something to the X2. I'm just not sure his and my missing elements are the same thing. I don't understand music well enough to know whether the missing sounds lie in the mids.

Also wow.....Strobe...what a boring excuse for music for the most part. Though I suppose bassy and rangey enough to give headphones a good testing. Don't think that will be joining my A/B list anytime soon, though thanks for the suggestion.

The M100's and their updates are much more balanced than the LP2's. Whether they're significantly better would be personal preference.

It's not for everyone, but I think the build-up to Strobe is a masterpiece. In terms of testing, I use it mostly for sound-stage and imaging.
 
My sister gave me an earlier than expected chance to test the MH630s and they're good but with a major asterisk. They have very strong left/right channel dominance, sounds almost always sound as if they are only coming from one of the cups only.

The sound they produce is very nice and clean, on par with the audiophile headphones, but small. I had to pump up the volume even higher than the K7XX. In fact the volume is so much lower I would have sworn they only had 40mm or even 30mm drivers but they do in fact have 50mm.
They're narrow with an asterisk, if something is at 9-Oclockish you can tell exactly where it is and the sound is wide, but the further towards 6 or 12 it is the more it narrows. They have almost no front/center or rear imaging as anything happening directly to the left or right will just drown it out. This means that sometimes things hidden in the edges of a track will come out, much more so than on any other headphone, but the body of the track sounds a little lifeless and sometimes even like it's only playing out of one cup. Also if anything is just slightly off-center it will start sounding almost as if it's immediately to your left or right.
To give you an example of this left right dominance when I watch the ultimate headphone test on youtube and they do the binaural part panning across the band. The first part starts normally and then the center comes in normally too but almost as soon as they do you start hearing the person on the left much sooner and the center singer retreats into the background and is just about drowned out by the time the camera pans all the way left.

Ultimately I can't tell you where in the shootout they fall. Sometimes they are on par with the X2 but other times they are giving me almost an entirely different sound. Sometimes they reveal things but at the same time I'm usually wondering why it sounds so much weaker. Despite all this they are however always clean though, never muddy. So they're good but I'm really not a fan of the left/right dominance.
 
It's me again:p. I spoke to a friend who works in the audio/mixing industry and he has a friend who has something to do with Sennheiser in SA, so it looks like i'm going to be picking up a pair of HD600s for a very reasonable price. However this has opened up another can of worms in the sense that i'll have to get a DAC/AMP to power them.

Budget wise i'm looking for something under 2k (one day when I have some more cash to waste i'll be sure to get something better). I'm not finding much available locally so I've been looking on Amazon and have narrowed it down to these two options:

Fosi Q4
Fiio Ek10

I realise neither of the above are rated to handle the 300ohm HD600s, but i'm assuming it will be better than nothing in the interim.

Was hoping for some opinions/options in terms of what I can do within the given budget? I've just registered on AV Forum to see if there are any 2nd hand options available as i'm not seeing anything on Carb at the moment.
 
Don't waste your money on a FiiO with a HD600, you really won't hear any difference with it. Not sure about the other one you listed, but if it's rated similarly just save your money for something else.

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