Groenewald brothers scams

[MSI1104]

The ultimate problem here is that the SAPS/Public Prosecutor don't give a F.
I once told a station commandant that his station is corrupt as fuck, told me he knows but I can't prove it.

 

[GoldynChylde]

Love watching this thread. people accusing people for being people.......How many got robbed by Graeme?[sybaritic] I wasn't, but I did learn a valuable lesson on that forrum, by a Groenie no less.

 

[DarkDragonZA]

The ultimate problem here is that the SAPS/Public Prosecutor don't give a F.
I once told a station commandant that his station is corrupt as fuck, told me he knows but I can't prove it.

Welcome to Africa

 

[PeePeePooPoo]

The ultimate problem here is that the SAPS/Public Prosecutor don't give a F.
I once told a station commandant that his station is corrupt as fuck, told me he knows but I can't prove it.

the only way we can catch this lowlife is by taking it to HQ. We need to create a thread with all the evidence we have so that we could take it to HQ, ill help with that

 

[Phokkit]

There is company called IRS based in PTA. They work in Co junction with saps. They specialize in fraud cases especially these types of scams

 

[Ark_za]

A nagging problem is still the fact that this section of the forum is watched. I'm no expert in web development, but can't the bad deals section be changed in a way that you need a certain i-trader or post count (or even special authorization by admin) to view this section and all those who do not qualify can only create threads and view the threads in this section if they get scammed and only view their own thread where all other threads are invisible?

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[Skottelgoed Spons]

Then it won't be beneficial for the newcomers that actually is doing their homework with what to watch out for if they can't view the bad deals.

 

[cyberjerk]

If anyone is willing to do the work to finally get these scumbags slapped... I will donate R500 to the cause, the f***ers took me for nearly 10x that.

 

[BLaaR]

If anyone is willing to do the work to finally get these scumbags slapped... I will donate R500 to the cause, the f***ers took me for nearly 10x that.

Hi, I am seeing my lawyer today. You can send the R500 to me.

Thanks.

Edit : just becareful you are not double scammed

 

[Roadkill]

Hi, I am seeing my lawyer today. You can send the R500 to me.

Thanks.

Edit : just becareful you are not double scammed

What are you hoping to achieve from the visit to a lawyer? Might I suggest everyone collating their claims against the them, thus pushing into Magistrates Court Jurisdiction, and obtain a judgment against them. Then have the sheriff go and attach their goods for auction. I will however warn that it is rarely this straightforward, as you will need their address and information, as well as detailed list of claims. I doubt they would oppose, but you would still need proof of claims.

From my experience, relying on the police to investigate or even understand fraud is like expecting your cat to understand the theory of relativity.

 

[BLaaR]

What are you hoping to achieve from the visit to a lawyer? Might I suggest everyone collating their claims against the them, thus pushing into Magistrates Court Jurisdiction, and obtain a judgment against them. Then have the sheriff go and attach their goods for auction. I will however warn that it is rarely this straightforward, as you will need their address and information, as well as detailed list of claims. I doubt they would oppose, but you would still need proof of claims.

From my experience, relying on the police to investigate or even understand fraud is like expecting your cat to understand the theory of relativity.

No , no. Not really seeing a lawyer.

Was pointing out that offering cash, and getting scammed again because some random guy says he is laying charges and will accept donations. That way @cyberjerk got scammed 2x

 

[AceSwiftShooter]

Would be awesome to see a table listing all the scams. Date, alias used, phone number used, amount scammed, method used etc....
When I say awesome, I mean interesting. We can also get a sense of scale of this scammery.

 

[SCHUMI4EVER]

What are you hoping to achieve from the visit to a lawyer? Might I suggest everyone collating their claims against the them, thus pushing into Magistrates Court Jurisdiction, and obtain a judgment against them. Then have the sheriff go and attach their goods for auction. I will however warn that it is rarely this straightforward, as you will need their address and information, as well as detailed list of claims. I doubt they would oppose, but you would still need proof of claims.

From my experience, relying on the police to investigate or even understand fraud is like expecting your cat to understand the theory of relativity.

*Edit: No nevermind Mods, don't approve this*

 

[Centurion_Oke]

Would be awesome to see a table listing all the scams. Date, alias used, phone number used, amount scammed, method used etc....
When I say awesome, I mean interesting. We can also get a sense of scale of this scammery.

Such a table/database would be in the public interest.

 

[KALSTER]

Question: Can't this thread be a bit more in your face on the main page? I can't f*cking believe these scumbags are still at it!!!!!! This Morne guy has been permitted to procreate even. Now if he goes to jail, his child will suffer. F*ck sake man.

 

[PhilippeM]

Question: Can't this thread be a bit more in your face on the main page? I can't f*cking believe these scumbags are still at it!!!!!! This Morne guy has been permitted to procreate even. Now if he goes to jail, his child will suffer. F*ck sake man.

Hey there

I have been trying to find as much info on this dude as possible. I was scammed in 2019 with the same ad that someone posted here in around 2016 I think.

I opened up a case at Sea Point police station and got them to subpoena the account details into which I paid the cash. (after logging fraud with Gumtree and FNB). Since then I have been contacted by the police stating that they now have a warrant for the arrest of the perpetrator as they have all the account details from FNB.

My question is though, given the aliases that these douchenozzles seem to use, how on earth did they open an account and FICA with "fake information"? It shouldn't be possible unless they actually work for the bank itself?

I would be interested to know if everyone on this thread who has been scammed all deposited into the same bank?

Sadly after finding this forum I fear that the warrant will go nowhere.

 

[KALSTER]

Keep us updated!

 

[PhilippeM]

So they also scammed my sister in law a few years back regarding a spit braai for her 40th. I totally forgot about that but am speaking to her now. As many aliases as I can find the better.

I will phone the detective once I have more info and then connect him to the detective in Gauteng. These fuckheads must have stolen hudreds of thousands of Rands from people, and they are really good at it.

I am thinking more and more that they (or one of them) work for FNB and are able to bypass FICA to create accounts for themselves. Either that or they have accomplices there.

 

[Toxxyc]

If I'm tracking their MO correctly, their scamming has netted them into the millions across the forums I'm on by now. Millions. And it's easy to bypass FICA. Fake proof of address and ID, and done. Banks don't check those things, they just feed the numbers into the computers and they accept it. Also don't need FICA to do those CashTransfers like they also use often.

 

[PhilippeM]

If I'm tracking their MO correctly, their scamming has netted them into the millions across the forums I'm on by now. Millions. And it's easy to bypass FICA. Fake proof of address and ID, and done. Banks don't check those things, they just feed the numbers into the computers and they accept it. Also don't need FICA to do those CashTransfers like they also use often.

True re FICA, I didn't actually take that into account. Flip, millions really breaks my heart. I am truly amazed, it's like something out of a movie

 

[BuNNy]

Just a fyi regarding FICA. the corner cellphone shops fica verbally. Ive had to get simcards for clients for an sms alarm system before by those shops and not once have they checked my id or anything, its purely verbal. so you could make up anything on the spot

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[thePridge]

If I'm tracking their MO correctly, their scamming has netted them into the millions across the forums I'm on by now. Millions. And it's easy to bypass FICA. Fake proof of address and ID, and done. Banks don't check those things, they just feed the numbers into the computers and they accept it. Also don't need FICA to do those CashTransfers like they also use often.

WOAH!

 

[Toxxyc]

Yeah it sounds hard to comprehend, but if you start counting all the R2k amounts here and all the R3.5k amounts there across multiple platforms, for the past ~10 years, it starts to add up.

 

[PhilippeM]

Just a fyi regarding FICA. the corner cellphone shops fica verbally. Ive had to get simcards for clients for an sms alarm system before by those shops and not once have they checked my id or anything, its purely verbal. so you could make up anything on the spot

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Totally, so SIMs are RICA but ultimately follow exactly the same process and information requirements. I just felt that banks would be slightly more festidious about validations. Sadly not apparently. As long as they "comply"they can make their profit I guess

 

[EmileS]

Hey there

I have been trying to find as much info on this dude as possible. I was scammed in 2019 with the same ad that someone posted here in around 2016 I think.

I opened up a case at Sea Point police station and got them to subpoena the account details into which I paid the cash. (after logging fraud with Gumtree and FNB). Since then I have been contacted by the police stating that they now have a warrant for the arrest of the perpetrator as they have all the account details from FNB.

My question is though, given the aliases that these douchenozzles seem to use, how on earth did they open an account and FICA with "fake information"? It shouldn't be possible unless they actually work for the bank itself?

I would be interested to know if everyone on this thread who has been scammed all deposited into the same bank?

Sadly after finding this forum I fear that the warrant will go nowhere.

Did you mention to the detective that the account name with the bank is most likely fake and that the real perpetrators are the Groenewald brothers?

 

[PhilippeM]

Did you mention to the detective that the account name with the bank is most likely fake and that the real perpetrators are the Groenewald brothers?

Honestly no, at that stage I had never heard of these guys at all. I have only recently been trying to find more information and came acros this forum, which has renewed my zeal in getting these guys.

My sister in law messaged me, she was able to get her money back and the sheriff attached their posessions but I am not certain that it is the same two brothers. They used the surname Hart. Have the Groenewald brothers used that alias before? If so then I can go after them

 

[Gazza_P]

Hi Guys ,

I just had a fellow carb member inbox me saying he was scammed by the same guy again !

Any admins that that can i can put him in touch with ?

Anyone know if there is a police case open ?

 

[Nikkel]

Hi Guys ,

I just had a fellow carb member inbox me saying he was scammed by the same guy again !

Any admins that that can i can put him in touch with ?

Anyone know if there is a police case open ?

Again...? Dafuq?

 

[Gazza_P]

Again...? Dafuq?

Someone really needs to get ahold of this shitstain waste of oxygen and finish him . He preys on the new members of this group and they dont know better and fall for it ....

 

[Gazza_P]

Confirmed its Ettiene Groenwald that scammed him - which means he is still here on carb