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You okes wouldn't sacrifice a position to let your teammate win WDC when you are out of the running? Doesn't seem that ridiculous to me.
Except he's not, if he were mathematically out then it would be more justified but he's not and McLaren screwed him over enough this season
 
If Max is running first in the race, then Oscar is out of contention, but Lando isn't.
True but if my mom had balls she would be my father

If Max punctures on the 2nd last lap and car grinds to a halt does Lando then give the spot back since he'll win anyway ?

These hypotheticals don't account for racing and the fact the team will rely on merch sales next year ( Which will TANK if they do this)

Jaguar situation is appt ( not the same but appt) doing what you think is better when the public revolt is going to be horrific will be much worse for the business than the short term good will be.
 
If Max punctures on the 2nd last lap and car grinds to a halt does Lando then give the spot back since he'll win anyway ?
Yes.

This doesn't seem so bizarrely controversial to me tbh. What's the point in schnaaiing your team and teammate when you literally have the ability to ensure he wins the championship?

I'm sure some people would be upset if it happens, but some people would also be very upset with Oscar and McLaren if they had the opportunity to get a WDC for Lando and they didn't take it.

There's no pleasing everyone.
 
I might be too biased here ( definitely a Max and Oscar fan) but Lando lost all his good qualities this year with his constant spineless bitching
You are biased then, because both Oscar and Max have done their share of bitching this year. But hey, it wouldn't be sport if some people weren't overly focused on the faults of some participants while forgiving the exact same faults in others.
 
Yes.

This doesn't seem so bizarrely controversial to me tbh. What's the point in schnaaiing your team and teammate when you literally have the ability to ensure he wins the championship?

I'm sure some people would be upset if it happens, but some people would also be very upset with Oscar and McLaren if they had the opportunity to get a WDC for Lando and they didn't take it.

There's no pleasing everyone.
I think as the principal you don't give a fuck cause the WCC is in the bag and the prize money is booked so the investors don't give a fuck

Secondly since you want to go the whole year about how "we are racing" then this type of question is brought up then its time to go racing If lando can't catch up tough shit

thirdly while there will be people upset in that situation i think they're a drop in the ocean of mclaren Fans, Lando doesn't have the star power Oscar does and Mclaren should know this


But yes there's no pleasing everyone you're right, as somebody within mclaren I would just err on the side of trying to please the largest group of people by letting them race
 
I think as the principal you don't give a fuck cause the WCC is in the bag and the prize money is booked so the investors don't give a fuck
The team, team principal, and investors definitely care a lot about getting WDC in addition to WCC. It's arguably a more glamorous prize than WCC and it's another trophy in the cabinet, and a huge amount of extra press. So I think they definitely do care about winning WDC too.

Secondly since you want to go the whole year about how "we are racing" then this type of question is brought up then its time to go racing If lando can't catch up tough shit
Maybe. Or maybe you agree before the last race as a team that if there's a chance for a WDC, you take it. 10 years from now people will remember the name on the trophy much more than they'll remember there was a position swap to allow it.

thirdly while there will be people upset in that situation i think they're a drop in the ocean of mclaren Fans, Lando doesn't have the star power Oscar does and Mclaren should know this
I have to strongly disagree here. Lando is enormously popular among McLaren fans, and has been for ages. There was an entire stand for his fans at Silverstone, he has his own Monster flavour, there's always hordes of Lando fans at the driver talks. I'm not saying nobody likes Oscar but I think Lando is by far the more popular driver among McLaren fans.

But yes there's no pleasing everyone you're right, as somebody within mclaren I would just err on the side of trying to please the largest group of people by letting them race
I don't think it's that obvious that the largest group of people would prefer letting a WDC slip through their fingers, when they had it in their power to make it happen. I think very many people would much more strongly prefer to have the WDC than to not have it.
 
I can see this weekend. Max last lap running in P1 with Oscar in P3 and Lando in P4.

Oscar moves over to let Lando take P3.

Lando takes WDC.
If Oscar lets him through, everyone other than Lando fans will be upset. I can just imagine the memes right now.

Mclaren fucked over their drivers so many times this year. They are the fastest car out there and have two decent drivers, they should have won the WDC long ago. Their mistakes is the only reason why Max is involved in the championship.
 
Reading some of this mental gymnastics you can swear Lando pissed in a lot of corn flakes throughout this year.
 
Oscar must just channel his inner Barrichello...
 
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The team, team principal, and investors definitely care a lot about getting WDC in addition to WCC. It's arguably a more glamorous prize than WCC and it's another trophy in the cabinet, and a huge amount of extra press. So I think they definitely do care about winning WDC too.


Maybe. Or maybe you agree before the last race as a team that if there's a chance for a WDC, you take it. 10 years from now people will remember the name on the trophy much more than they'll remember there was a position swap to allow it.


I have to strongly disagree here. Lando is enormously popular among McLaren fans, and has been for ages. There was an entire stand for his fans at Silverstone, he has his own Monster flavour, there's always hordes of Lando fans at the driver talks. I'm not saying nobody likes Oscar but I think Lando is by far the more popular driver among McLaren fans.


I don't think it's that obvious that the largest group of people would prefer letting a WDC slip through their fingers, when they had it in their power to make it happen. I think very many people would much more strongly prefer to have the WDC than to not have it.
I appreciate your response but sincerely hope both of us are wrong and good racing prevails
 
Bunch of people with "Automatic" endorsements on their driver's licenses in this thread.
 
I appreciate your response but sincerely hope both of us are wrong and good racing prevails
Of course. Knowing McLaren, there's a good chance we won't even be in this scenario, and Max can romp home to his fifth with the papaya boys both off the podium.
 
Yes.

This doesn't seem so bizarrely controversial to me tbh. What's the point in schnaaiing your team and teammate when you literally have the ability to ensure he wins the championship?

I'm sure some people would be upset if it happens, but some people would also be very upset with Oscar and McLaren if they had the opportunity to get a WDC for Lando and they didn't take it.

There's no pleasing everyone.
You okes wouldn't sacrifice a position to let your teammate win WDC when you are out of the running? Doesn't seem that ridiculous to me.
The thing is an F1 team mate is your biggest competitor yes you have to listen to team principal orders but your team mate isn't your friend its the other driver that either make you look worse or better in comparison. And Zak Brown literally said "I'd rather Max Verstappen win title than favour Lando Norris or Oscar Piastri". With the stupid orange teams own rules they can't choose a driver and I know Zak favors Lando.

If I where Oscar I'd be looking for another team next year and give the finger to any team orders asking him to give up points or positions to Lando. He's already done that cause the team stuffed up Landos pit stop.
 
The thing is an F1 team mate is your biggest competitor yes you have to listen to team principal orders but your team mate isn't your friend its the other driver that either make you look worse or better in comparison. And Zak Brown literally said "I'd rather Max Verstappen win title than favour Lando Norris or Oscar Piastri". With the stupid orange teams own rules they can't choose a driver and I know Zak favors Lando.
They said they wouldn't favour one driver while both can still mathematically win the championship. If Max is running first in Abu Dhabi, then both drivers can no longer mathematically win the championship, only Lando can.

If I where Oscar I'd be looking for another team next year and give the finger to any team orders asking him to give up points or positions to Lando. He's already done that cause the team stuffed up Landos pit stop.
Lando literally handed over a race win to Oscar last year too. They've both suffered drawbacks and enjoyed benefits from the "equal treatment" situation.

Maybe you believe they've favoured Lando more, but that's hardly a universal opinion, and as we have discussed today already, is more a reflection of someone's own biases than of the situation in reality.
 
As I recall, McLaren line up for next year remains the same?
 
If Oscar lets him through, everyone other than Lando fans will be upset. I can just imagine the memes right now.

Mclaren fucked over their drivers so many times this year. They are the fastest car out there and have two decent drivers, they should have won the WDC long ago. Their mistakes is the only reason why Max is involved in the championship.
Max has said this himself as well. As a Max fan, I'll take McLaren continuing to add to their bottle count for 2025.
 
If Abu Dhabi 2021 taught us anything theres always a chance especially when it comes to Max!

Last week this time I was certain that Max was out of the running but he closed the gap even more in Qatar, so a small part of me wants to believe he's going to take it...
 
If Abu Dhabi 2021 taught us anything theres always a chance especially when it comes to Max!

Last week this time I was certain that Max was out of the running but he closed the gap even more in Qatar, so a small part of me wants to believe he's going to take it...

Put Yuki on softs at the right time, before Lando is about to lap him. Then hopefully Yuki can keep him at bay for some laps to benefit Max. As long as Lando doesn't win, then all will be well!
 
Looks like it's official - no 2026 F1 seat for Yuki.

 
Put Yuki on softs at the right time, before Lando is about to lap him. Then hopefully Yuki can keep him at bay for some laps to benefit Max. As long as Lando doesn't win, then all will be well!
I don't think Lando is going to win the race but then again he doesn't have to, he's probably going to be very safe and cautious and try finish 2nd or 3rd to try stay out of any sort of drama.

I'm hoping for the following:

- He DNFs
- Has a really bad qualifying
- Theirs a safety car that benefits Max and Oscar.
- McLaren have a terrible strategy.
 
I don't think Lando is going to win the race but then again he doesn't have to, he's probably going to be very safe and cautious and try finish 2nd or 3rd to try stay out of any sort of drama.

I'm hoping for the following:

- He DNFs
- Has a really bad qualifying
- Theirs a safety car that benefits Max and Oscar.
- McLaren have a terrible strategy.
McLaren got what they wanted, it shows in how they are treating their drivers, seemingly also slughtly favouring one over the other. They dont seem to care how much having a WDC means to a driver, having potentially (rank outside chance) screwed them both out of it.

Zak is playing for the cameras/crowd/media and loving the spotlight and free attention.

I do think Lando will take it this weekend (95% sure), which is a pity becuase Sky will never shut up about it. His name will change from Lando "World Championship Leader" Norris to Lando "Defending World Champion" Norris. We should be able to measure Brundles erection already. On the richter scale.
 
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