Cooling Ryzen 5 3600

[GateKeeper]

Hey guys and girls. So im currently running my R5 3600 with the stock cooler. Im looking into oc'ing my CPU, so im looking for a decent aftermarket cooler.

Im working on a relatively tight budget, so decent watercooling isn't really an option for me.

I've done some research and found some good reviews on the Phanteks PH-TC12DX.

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I also found this Deepcool Gammaxx 400 which seems nice.

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That being said, I cant find anywhere its been tested with the R5 3600. So i have no idea what real world temps i'll be looking at whether i keep the CPU stock or OC it. Especially when being compared to the stick Wraith Stealth cooler.

Does anyone have this same combination or have any recommendations on similar coolers in the same price range, using the same CPU?

Thanks in advance!

 

[RandomSheepZA]

Definitely the Phateks over the DeepCool.
If you can afford it and have the space in your case, look at the TC14 rather.

Beast of an air cooler.

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[GateKeeper]

Definitely the Phateks over the DeepCool.
If you can afford it and have the space in your case, look at the TC14 rather.

Beast of an air cooler.

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Yeah, i saw some good reviews on this as well. So i'm more interested in finding the temp differences on the CPU. Im concerned that ill get too little temp drop going from the stock to aftermarket. I mean, if im gonna spend up to R1000, dropping just 5 degrees wont be worth it.

 

[RandomSheepZA]

Unfortunately i can't give you exact results but i would expect around 10-15 deg difference.

 

[Dr Evil]

Yeah, i saw some good reviews on this as well. So i'm more interested in finding the temp differences on the CPU. Im concerned that ill get too little temp drop going from the stock to aftermarket. I mean, if im gonna spend up to R1000, dropping just 5 degrees wont be worth it.

What temps are you getting now with the stock cooler. I went with the Noctua NH-U9S when Rebeltech was still in business and i saw considerable drops in temp with mine. Overclocked to 4.2Ghz on all cores my temps in gaming hovers around 59-62 degrees. At idle in normal windows working is much less at around 45 degrees. I do however have 9 fans in my case, 6 intake and 3 exhaust. Before it was about 70 with the stock cooler during gaming. I ran it at factory clocks with the stock cooler but checked what temps i was getting with the overclock to see if i should change it or not.

The main reason for the all core overclock was to keep the voltage stable and reducing temps. At stock the voltage is all over the place (there's a whole thread on this in carb) which i wasn't comfortable with.


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[goldfritter]

Gotta agree with everyone here. From a pure heatsink real-estate perspective, the stock cooler is around a 92mm diameter, so a surface area of around 66 cm2. A 120mm tower cooler like the PH-TC12 has around 144 cm2, so more than double. A 140mm tower cooler has around 196 cm2, and if you take the PH-TC14 it has two 140mm towers so you get 392 cm2 (although the performance in practice won't be double that of a single 140mm tower).

So overall a 120mm tower cooler will give significantly better performance than the stock cooler, and a dual-140mm tower will give better performance than a 120mm.

In terms of recommendations I always suggest the Cooler Master Hyper 212 - any variant. They are cheap and perform pretty much the same in terms of temps/noise as other 120mm air coolers including fancy ones with dual fans (and even dual-tower 120mm coolers which for some reason never perform very well compared to single-towers).

For 140mm coolers, in SA that PH-TC14 is pretty much your only option. It's a beast and will perform as well as, or better than, a 240mm AIO. But you need to make sure it will A) fit in your case and B) fit over your RAM - if you have RAM that isn't low profile it probably won't fit. The specs and clearances are on Wootware's site.

 

[GateKeeper]

Unfortunately i can't give you exact results but i would expect around 10-15 deg difference.

This guestimate would be with the TC14 right? Not the TC12?

 

[RandomSheepZA]

I would think you would see more from the TC14 to be honest.
Its up there with the D15's an similar.
Sometimes even out-performs a 360AIO but definitely a 240AIO

I can honestly say you won't regret either.

 

[GateKeeper]

What temps are you getting now with the stock cooler. I went with the Noctua NH-U9S when Rebeltech was still in business and i saw considerable drops in temp with mine. Overclocked to 4.2Ghz on all cores my temps in gaming hovers around 59-62 degrees. At idle in normal windows working is much less at around 45 degrees. I do however have 9 fans in my case, 6 intake and 3 exhaust. Before it was about 70 with the stock cooler during gaming. I ran it at factory clocks with the stock cooler but checked what temps i was getting with the overclock to see if i should change it or not.

The main reason for the all core overclock was to keep the voltage stable and reducing temps. At stock the voltage is all over the place (there's a whole thread on this in carb) which i wasn't comfortable with.


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So I just ran Cinebench a couple of times with the following results:

Run1 : Max temp - 79c | Score: 3480
Run2: Max temp - 81c | Score: 3438
Run3: Max temp - 82c | Score: 3438
Run4: Max temp - 83.8c | Score: 3444
Run:5 Max temp - 84c | Score: 3433

I will have a look at finding that thread on overclocking.

 

[GateKeeper]

Gotta agree with everyone here. From a pure heatsink real-estate perspective, the stock cooler is around a 92mm diameter, so a surface area of around 66 cm2. A 120mm tower cooler like the PH-TC12 has around 144 cm2, so more than double. A 140mm tower cooler has around 196 cm2, and if you take the PH-TC14 it has two 140mm towers so you get 392 cm2 (although the performance in practice won't be double that of a single 140mm tower).

So overall a 120mm tower cooler will give significantly better performance than the stock cooler, and a dual-140mm tower will give better performance than a 120mm.

In terms of recommendations I always suggest the Cooler Master Hyper 212 - any variant. They are cheap and perform pretty much the same in terms of temps/noise as other 120mm air coolers including fancy ones with dual fans (and even dual-tower 120mm coolers which for some reason never perform very well compared to single-towers).

For 140mm coolers, in SA that PH-TC14 is pretty much your only option. It's a beast and will perform as well as, or better than, a 240mm AIO. But you need to make sure it will A) fit in your case and B) fit over your RAM - if you have RAM that isn't low profile it probably won't fit. The specs and clearances are on Wootware's site.

On the note of the Hyper 212. Any idea why the H212 Spectrum is so much cheaper than the other variants?

EG:

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vs
(I see wootware is OOS right now so price isn't showing) Cooler Master RR-212X-20PM-R1 Hyper 212X 120mm Fan CPU Cooler - Wootware (pretty sure this one was selling for around R800 a few days ago.

 

[GateKeeper]

I would think you would see more from the TC14 to be honest.
Its up there with the D15's an similar.
Sometimes even out-performs a 360AIO but definitely a 240AIO

I can honestly say you won't regret either.

I measured my case, inside measurements, from motherboard to side panel: 174mm

As per Wootware:

159 x 140 x 171mm (With Dual Fans)

So looks like it will fit....very tight.

I have the Cougar Panzer-G case. So I measure from the motherboard to the inner lip the glass side panel fits against.

Wootware doesnt seem to mention clearance requirements for the RAM so will be looking into that as well.

 

[RandomSheepZA]

What ram do you have?

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[GateKeeper]

What ram do you have?

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This one

 

[RandomSheepZA]

You'll be fine with the TC14

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[GateKeeper]

You'll be fine with the TC14

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Ok cool thanks.

 

[LouisABC]

1. Sell the 3600 for R3,500
2. Save the R1,300 +- you would have spent on the 140mm phanteks
3. Add another R1,400 and buy the 5600x.

No overclock will bring you close to the 5600x, with the 3600.

Also, I think it is a waste of time to overclock the 3600, for the real world gains you would achieve.

 

[goldfritter]

On the note of the Hyper 212. Any idea why the H212 Spectrum is so much cheaper than the other variants?

EG:

Cooler Master RR-212A-20PD-R1 Hyper 212 RGB Spectrum 120mm Fan CPU Cooler - Wootware

Buy Cooler Master RR-212A-20PD-R1 Hyper 212 RGB Spectrum 120mm Fan CPU Cooler at Wootware with fast shipping & superb service.

www.wootware.co.za

vs
(I see wootware is OOS right now so price isn't showing) Cooler Master RR-212X-20PM-R1 Hyper 212X 120mm Fan CPU Cooler - Wootware (pretty sure this one was selling for around R800 a few days ago.

R 800 sounds wrong; might have been an error on their site. R 500 - 600 is what I would expect the 212 to cost.

I measured my case, inside measurements, from motherboard to side panel: 174mm

As per Wootware:

159 x 140 x 171mm (With Dual Fans)

So looks like it will fit....very tight.

I have the Cougar Panzer-G case. So I measure from the motherboard to the inner lip the glass side panel fits against.

Wootware doesnt seem to mention clearance requirements for the RAM so will be looking into that as well.

As per the specifications for the Panzer G, it only supports CPU coolers up to 160mm in height, so the TC14 won't fit.

 

[RandomSheepZA]

1. Sell the 3600 for R3,500
2. Save the R1,300 +- you would have spent on the 140mm phanteks
3. Add another R1,400 and buy the 5600x.

No overclock will bring you close to the 5600x, with the 3600.

Also, I think it is a waste of time to overclock the 3600, for the real world gains you would achieve.

So to interject here.
No AMD should run under a stock cooler, period. Actually, let me rephrase that. NO CPU SHOULD BE RUN WITH A STOCK COOLER.

Also support for 5000 series is only officially on B550 and X570.
Secondly there is a decent performance increase when you run all core OC at probably 4.1 or 4.2 so it's not a waste to not buy the cooler.

I do understand your explanation above but the cooler will outlive the chip and will be a bonus if the OP does upgrade to 5000 at some poeint.also why not wait for a SH chip in a couple months and spend even less?

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[GateKeeper]

1. Sell the 3600 for R3,500
2. Save the R1,300 +- you would have spent on the 140mm phanteks
3. Add another R1,400 and buy the 5600x.

No overclock will bring you close to the 5600x, with the 3600.

Also, I think it is a waste of time to overclock the 3600, for the real world gains you would achieve.

R 800 sounds wrong; might have been an error on their site. R 500 - 600 is what I would expect the 212 to cost.


As per the specifications for the Panzer G, it only supports CPU coolers up to 160mm in height, so the TC14 won't fit.

Hmmm i checked this now as well. I wonder why this is rated for 160mm when there is clearly more space not only for it to fit in height but width as well.

 

[valiente]

Ever since I've moved to AMD 3900x, I've had struggles cooling it.

Basically gave up and just stopped looking at temps...

 

[GateKeeper]

1. Sell the 3600 for R3,500
2. Save the R1,300 +- you would have spent on the 140mm phanteks
3. Add another R1,400 and buy the 5600x.

No overclock will bring you close to the 5600x, with the 3600.

Also, I think it is a waste of time to overclock the 3600, for the real world gains you would achieve.

Thanks for the input. Though I specified initially im on a relatively tight budget. Linking coolers under R900. Its just not feasible for me to add an additional R1400.

 

[goldfritter]

Hmmm i checked this now as well. I wonder why this is rated for 160mm when there is clearly more space not only for it to fit in height but width as well.

Not sure, they might be using different points to measure to/from. E.g. Top of the socket, might add a few mm. You can try it and see if it fits. You can confirm with Wootware what their return policy is, or try sell it on Carb if it doesn't fit. But if I were you I would trust the case manufacturer's specs

 

[LouisABC]

So to interject here.
No AMD should run under a stock cooler, period. Actually, let me rephrase that. NO CPU SHOULD BE RUN WITH A STOCK COOLER.

Also support for 5000 series is only officially on B550 and X570.
Secondly there is a decent performance increase when you run all core OC at probably 4.1 or 4.2 so it's not a waste to not buy the cooler.

I do understand your explanation above but the cooler will outlive the chip and will be a bonus if the OP does upgrade to 5000 at some poeint.also why not wait for a SH chip in a couple months and spend even less?

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So you saying the AMD engineers whom developed the CPU and sells the cooler with their CPUs does not know what they are doing?

Obviously a stock cooler would be outperformed, spesifically the stealth by say a simple hyper 212 tower cooler for instance.

In anyways, waste to overclock the 3600, if you feel the gains is worth all the effort and additional money, by all means.

And just a reminder from Jan the B450 support would roll in for ryzen 5000 boards.

Anyways, the OP is on a limited budget, it is his money, so if he wants to spend it and enjoy that marginal gain, so be it.

EDIT - Also another reason why I am not too keen on a tower cooler on AMD, is due to the fact that then people start forgetting about cooling their VRMs.

 

[GateKeeper]

Not sure, they might be using different points to measure to/from. E.g. Top of the socket, might add a few mm. You can try it and see if it fits. You can confirm with Wootware what their return policy is, or try sell it on Carb if it doesn't fit. But if I were you I would trust the case manufacturer's specs

Makes sense yes. Last thing i want is to sit with a cooler I cant get rid of or use.

 

[RandomSheepZA]

So you saying the AMD engineers whom developed the CPU and sells the cooler with their CPUs does not know what they are doing?

Obviously a stock cooler would be outperformed, spesifically the stealth by say a simple hyper 212 tower cooler for instance.

In anyways, waste to overclock the 3600, if you feel the gains is worth all the effort and additional money, by all means.

And just a reminder from Jan the B450 support would roll in for ryzen 5000 boards.

Anyways, the OP is on a limited budget, it is his money, so if he wants to spend it and enjoy that marginal gain, so be it.

EDIT - Also another reason why I am not too keen on a tower cooler on AMD, is due to the fact that then people start forgetting about cooling their VRMs.

Now you putting words in my mouth there good sir.
I never said they didn't know what they were doing, I just said you shouldn't run stock coolers.

So I have a 5600X and let me tell you, even the stock cooler isn't a good idea on it.
I am running the Wraith RGB (much to my hatred of RGB Puke) and that cooler barely will keep chip cool when doing any workload. I mean it idles at 44 at A-C OC 4.3ghz or in fact even without an all core oc it felt like the chip was warmer.

Also I fyou have decent airflow in your case, cooling VRM's should be an issue. Also advocating to stay on a stock cooler for that point is pretty mute since the heat coming off that chip, will easily affect the VRMs negatively.

End of the day, the cooler you can keep the chip, the better lifespan you will get out of it.

Anyway..........
If the TC14 won't fit and it sounds like it won't, then the 12 will do just fine.

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