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Before you buy an XBox One S for your UHD TV ... read this

the HDMI certified markings mean the cable has been to tested for compliance at x standard.

Not true...

The HDMI standards do NOT specify HDMI socket version compliance for cables, they ONLY specify "Normal"(Category 1) and "High Speed"(Category 2).

There's now a new specification, "Premium High Speed", however it's the same as "High Speed", just confirms it has been tested independently to match Category 2 specs.

From wikipedia:

As of the HDMI 1.4 specification, the following cable types are defined for HDMI in general:[79][80]

Standard HDMI Cable – up to 1080i and 720p
Standard HDMI Cable with Ethernet
Automotive HDMI Cable
High Speed HDMI Cable – 1080p, 4K, 3D and deep color
High Speed HDMI Cable with Ethernet

On October 5, 2015 - HDMI Licensing, LLC announced[81] the Premium HDMI Cable Certification for HDMI 2.0. This is an enhanced cable testing, authentication and verification program to ensure they support the full 18 Gbit/s bandwidth from the HDMI 2.0b specification plus an EMI test to ensure cables minimize interference with wireless signals. This ensures that HDMI cables support 4K/UHD products that may include features such as 4K UHD 60fps, BT.2020 and HDR. These certified High Speed HDMI Cables are marked as:[82]

Premium High Speed HDMI Cable
Premium High Speed HDMI Cables with Ethernet

They box may say HDMI 2.0 compliant, because it is, but any "High Speed" cable is HDMI 2.0 compliant and you won't have to pay 50% more just for that sticker.
 
Not true...

The HDMI standards do NOT specify HDMI socket version compliance for cables, they ONLY specify "Normal"(Category 1) and "High Speed"(Category 2).

There's now a new specification, "Premium High Speed", however it's the same as "High Speed", just confirms it has been tested independently to match Category 2 specs.

From wikipedia:



They box may say HDMI 2.0 compliant, because it is, but any "High Speed" cable is HDMI 2.0 compliant and you won't have to pay 50% more just for that sticker.
You've generalised the standards too much.
The no name cables don't give sufficient detail as to the version number, they may or may not be compatible with 1.4, where's a certified cable with the version specified is guaranteed to work at the spec as a minimum. Otherwise you take a gamble.

What are the differences between HDMI versions 1.1, 1.2, 1.3a, 1.4a and 2.0?

HDMI 1.1:

- Support for DVD Audio.

HDMI 1.2:

- Adds features and capabilities that increase HDMI's appeal for use in both the CE and PC industries. Specifically, the features and modifications for HDMI 1.2 include: Support for One Bit Audio format, such as Super Audio CD's DSD (Direct Stream Digital), changes to offer better support for current and future PCs with HDMI outputs, including: availability of the widely-used HDMI Type A connector for PC sources and displays with full support for PC video formats, ability for PC sources to use their native RGB color space while retaining the option to support the YCbCr CE color space, requirement for HDMI 1.2 and later displays to support future low-voltage (i.e., AC-coupled) sources, such as those based on PCI Express I/O technology. HDMI 1.2a -Consumer Electronic Control (CEC) features and command sets and CEC compliance tests are now fully specified.

-Creation of version 1.2a of the HDMI Compliance Test Specification (CTS), which includes a CEC Supplement. HDMI CTS 1.2a has been updated for technical consistency with HDMI Specification 1.2a as well as to the recently released HDMI Specification 1.2. Significantly, CTS 1.2a contains additional cable and connector testing and Authorized Testing Center (ATC) submission requirements. Specifically, under CTS 1.2a, the Adopter shall submit for testing to the ATC any new HDMI cable whose length exceeds previously tested cables. Additionally, HDMI Licensing, LLC will maintain a list of approved connectors. For a device to pass CTS 1.2a testing at an ATC, all connectors on such device must appear on the approved connector list. To add a connector to this list, the vendor must submit to the ATC or HDMI Licensing, LLC full and passing testing results.

HDMI 1.3 / 1.3a:

- Higher speed: HDMI 1.3 increases its single-link bandwidth to 340 MHz (10.2 Gbps) to support the demands of future HD display devices, such as higher resolutions, Deep Color and high frame rates. In addition, built into the HDMI 1.3 specification is the technical foundations that will let future versions of HDMI reach significantly higher speeds.

-Deep Color: HDMI 1.3 supports 10-bit, 12-bit and 16-bit (RGB or YCbCr) color depths, up from the 8-bit depths in previous versions of the HDMI specification, for stunning rendering of over one billion colors in unprecedented detail.

-Broader color space: HDMI 1.3 adds support for “x.v.Color™” (which is the consumer name describing the IEC 61966-2-4 xvYCC color standard), which removes current color space limitations and enables the display of any color viewable by the human eye.

-New mini connector: With small portable devices such as HD camcorders and still cameras demanding seamless connectivity to HDTVs, HDMI 1.3 offers a new, smaller form factor connector option.

-Lip Sync: Because consumer electronics devices are using increasingly complex digital signal processing to enhance the clarity and detail of the content, synchronization of video and audio in user devices has become a greater challenge and could potentially require complex end-user adjustments. HDMI 1.3 incorporates automatic audio synching capabilities that allow devices to perform this synchronization automatically with total accuracy.

-New HD lossless audio formats: In addition to HDMI’s current ability to support high-bandwidth uncompressed digital audio and all currently-available compressed formats (such as Dolby® Digital and DTS®), HDMI 1.3 adds additional support for new lossless compressed digital audio formats Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD Master Audio™.

HDMI 1.4 / 1.4a:

- HDMI Ethernet Channel: The HDMI 1.4 specification adds a data channel to the HDMI connection, enabling high-speed, bi-directional communication. Connected devices that include this feature can send and receive data via 100 Mb/sec Ethernet, making them instantly ready for any IP-based application. The HDMI Ethernet Channel allows internet-enabled HDMI devices to share an internet connection via the HDMI link, with no need for a separate Ethernet cable. It also provides the connection platform that will allow HDMI-enabled components to share content between devices. *Not currently implented on Denon devices

-Audio Return Channel: The newest specification adds an audio channel that will reduce the number of cables required to deliver audio “upstream” from a TV to an A/V receiver for processing and playback. In cases where a TV features an internal content source, such as a built-in tuner or DVD player, the Audio Return Channel allows the TV to send audio data upstream to the A/V receiver via the HDMI cable, eliminating the need for an extra cable.

-3D: The 1.4 version of the specification defines common 3D formats and resolutions for HDMI-enabled devices, enabling 3D gaming and other 3D video applications. The specification standardizes the input/output portion of the home 3D system, facilitating 3D resolutions up to dual-stream 1080p.

-4K Resolution Support: The new specification enables HDMI devices to support extremely high HD resolutions, effectively four times the resolution of a 1080p device. Support for 4K allows the HDMI interface to transmit digital content at the same resolution as the state-of-the-art Digital Cinema systems used in many movie theaters.

-Expanded Support For Color Spaces HDMI now supports color spaces designed specifically for digital still cameras, enabling more accurate color rendering when viewing digital photos. By supporting sYCC601, Adobe®RGB, and Adobe®YCC601, HDMI display devices are capable of displaying more accurate, life-like colors when connected to a digital camera.

-HDMI Micro Connector: (Type D) The HDMI Micro Connector is a significantly smaller 19-pin HDMI connector supporting up to 1080p resolutions for portable devices such as cell phones, portable media players, and digital cameras. This new connector is approximately 50% smaller than the size of the existing HDMI Mini connector.

-Automotive Connection System: (Type E) The Automotive Connection System is a cabling specification designed to be used for in-vehicle HD content distribution. The HDMI 1.4 specification provides a solution designed to meet the rigors and environmental issues commonly found in automobiles, such as heat, vibration and noise. Using the Automotive Connection System, car manufacturers now have a viable solution for HD distribution within a vehicle.

HDMI 2.0

HDMI 2.0, referred to by some manufacturers as HDMI UHD, was released on September 4, 2013.
HDMI 2.0 increases the maximum TMDS per channel throughput from 3.4 Gbit/s to 6 Gbit/s which allows for a maximum total TMDS throughput of 18 Gbit/s. That allows HDMI 2.0 to carry 4K resolution at 60 frames per second (fps).
Other features of HDMI 2.0 include the options of the Rec. 2020 color space, Dual View, 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, 25 fps 3D formats, up to 32 channels of audio, up to 1536 kHz audio (for example 7.1 channels of 192 kHz), up to 4 audio streams, 21:9 aspect ratio, the HE-AAC and DRA audio standards, dynamic auto lip-sync, improved 3D capability, and additional CEC functions.
HDMI 2.0a was released on April 8, 2015 and added support for high dynamic range (HDR) video.

http://denon.custhelp.com/app/answe...en-hdmi-versions-1.1,-1.2,-1.3a,-1.4-and-2.0?
 
where's a certified cable with the version specified is guaranteed to work at the spec as a minimum.

No, they do not. Because they haven't been "certified", they have a sticker put on them. There is nowhere in the HDMI cable specifications that allows a cable to be classified as per the version of the HDMI hardware, it is either "Category 1" or "Category 2", end, finish, klaar. Who can certify when the standards put out do not make provision for the certification?

The quote you have above have nothing to do with the cable, they are the hardware versions and different plugs/sockets.

As an analogy take the difference between SATA 3gbs and 6gbs, the hardware behind the plugs are different, the cable is exactly the same.
 
No, they do not. Because they haven't been "certified", they have a sticker put on them. There is nowhere in the HDMI cable specifications that allows a cable to be classified as per the version of the HDMI hardware, it is either "Category 1" or "Category 2", end, finish, klaar. Who can certify when the standards put out do not make provision for the certification?

The quote you have above have NOTHING to do with the cable, they are the hardware versions and different plugs/sockets.

As an analogy take the difference between SATA 3gbs and 6gbs, the hardware behind the plugs are different, the cable is exactly the same.
The manufacturer would stupid to put a label "HDMI 1.4" if their cable didn't live up to the 1.4 spec.
 
Visited an av store to look at an oled tv ... LG B6/E6/G6 to be specific. Yes oled is amazing and hdr looks good. But I came away realising just how good my current TV is. The blacks are inky black on this TV of mine ... HDR is nice but honestly after seeing it in action am not too concerned if I don't have it. Will keep my TV and wait for end 2017 to see what lovely and new is out

Also my Xbox One S has now gone from good to great with the VLC player app :) ... Just if they sort out playback of 4K files then it will be awesome

And at the prices OLED go for I Def was not gonna buy those new models. I just wanted to see what the best looks like. Bloody R100k for a TV ... Eish. Things depreciate worse than a bloody Audi A8


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Shadow warrior, no! sadly there's current no pc monitor which supports hdr :(

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Yeah next year I see manufacturers offering hdr and 10bit as features ... So everyone's monitors just became obsolete :(

The next best thing... A 34" 10bit HDR 3440x1440 oled wide-screen.


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Yeah next year I see manufacturers offering hdr and 10bit as features ... So everyone's monitors just became obsolete :(

The next best thing... A 34" 10bit HDR 3440x1440 oled wide-screen.


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For R50k probably.
 
Visited an av store to look at an oled tv ... LG B6/E6/G6 to be specific. Yes oled is amazing and hdr looks good. But I came away realising just how good my current TV is. The blacks are inky black on this TV of mine ... HDR is nice but honestly after seeing it in action am not too concerned if I don't have it. Will keep my TV and wait for end 2017 to see what lovely and new is out

Also my Xbox One S has now gone from good to great with the VLC player app :) ... Just if they sort out playback of 4K files then it will be awesome

And at the prices OLED go for I Def was not gonna buy those new models. I just wanted to see what the best looks like. Bloody R100k for a TV ... Eish. Things depreciate worse than a bloody Audi A8


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Pretty sure you will not have made this common mistake but just a tip for others :

Stores rarely bother to calibrate their display units so walking around comparing picture quality between your home (calibrated TV) and various stores is dangerous.
 
Yeah next year I see manufacturers offering hdr and 10bit as features ... So everyone's monitors just became obsolete :(

The next best thing... A 34" 10bit HDR 3440x1440 oled wide-screen.


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There's some cheap Hdr10 , Dolby vision tvs which can be used as a monitor. 15K 55inch TV , input lag is around 30 if I remember correctly.
 
Visited an av store to look at an oled tv ... LG B6/E6/G6 to be specific. Yes oled is amazing and hdr looks good. But I came away realising just how good my current TV is. The blacks are inky black on this TV of mine ... HDR is nice but honestly after seeing it in action am not too concerned if I don't have it. Will keep my TV and wait for end 2017 to see what lovely and new is out

Also my Xbox One S has now gone from good to great with the VLC player app :) ... Just if they sort out playback of 4K files then it will be awesome

And at the prices OLED go for I Def was not gonna buy those new models. I just wanted to see what the best looks like. Bloody R100k for a TV ... Eish. Things depreciate worse than a bloody Audi A8


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Sometimes when i visit those stores , viewing all those 100k + tvs I get super jealous, pull out my Samsung and switch off all the tvs that support ir:p
 

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