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Wraith

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Seller:
@DjPorra
Buyer: @Wraith

Description of Bad Deal:
I was sold a Ryzen 5 3500x by a carb user. I didn’t pay for courier but they paid and wrapped the cpu in bubble wrap multiple times. Once I had recieved and opened the product, I saw that 2 pins had bent through the wrap most likely due to the pressure of the paper. Upon further inspection, there were 3 more pins bent. I kindly requested a refund as the box used was fine upon arrival so the way it was packaged was too rough.

The user currently won’t provide a refund so what should be done? as I did recieve a faulty good upon delievery which is obviously also illegal.

Just completely outrageous how bent 2 of these pins are, it’s impossible for someone to even bend it that way.

Fortunately I have personal contact with the owner of Schliemanns attorney’s should we need to make a quick claim, we obviously don’t want to take these unnecessary steps but we’re more than ready to in need of this to get sorted out. We’re just going to have to wait and see but have informed Jan Schlieman about this already and await a response from the seller before he sends the email his way.

Fellow carbs, if you do have our number then message us there and will send you guys videos of the disgusting conditions of the pins.

Note:
CPA claims usually protects the consumer if sold an item broken/faulty upon arrival
 
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Deal Thread URL:
Seller:
@DjPorra
Buyer: @Wraith

Description of Bad Deal:
I was sold a Ryzen 5 3500x by a carb user. I didn’t pay for courier but they paid and wrapped the cpu in bubble wrap multiple times. Once I had recieved and opened the product, I saw that 2 pins had bent through the wrap most likely due to the pressure of the paper. Upon further inspection, there were 3 more pins bent. I kindly requested a refund as the box used was fine upon arrival so the way it was packaged was too rough.

The user currently won’t provide a refund so what should be done? as I did recieve a faulty good upon delievery which is obviously also illegal.

Just completely outrageous how bent 2 of these pins are, it’s impossible for someone to even bend it that way.

Fortunately I have personal contact with the owner of Schliemanns attorney’s should we need to make a quick claim, we obviously don’t want to take these unnecessary steps but we’re more than ready to in need of this to get sorted out. We’re just going to have to wait and see but have informed Jan Schlieman about this already and await a response from the seller before he sends the email his way.

Fellow carbs, if you do have our number then message us there and will send you guys videos of the disgusting conditions of the pins.

Note:
CPA claims usually protects the consumer if sold an item broken/faulty upon arrival
Not sure if this is allowed but just to comment on your reference to the CPA. Unless the seller is a business it does not apply as the sale was not in their 'ordinary course of business' (And if they are a business then they should have a reseller sub)

" A private sale of property is not a transaction that falls within the ambit of the CPA as this would not be in the ordinary course of business."

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There are also thresholds in terms of whether you qualify as a consumer based on your turnover/assets.
 
Not sure if this is allowed but just to comment on your reference to the CPA. Unless the seller is a business it does not apply as the sale was not in their 'ordinary course of business' (And if they are a business then they should have a reseller sub)

" A private sale of property is not a transaction that falls within the ambit of the CPA as this would not be in the ordinary course of business."

Reference:



There are also thresholds in terms of whether you qualify as a consumer based on your turnover/assets.
Not sure if this is allowed but just to comment on your reference to the CPA. Unless the seller is a business it does not apply as the sale was not in their 'ordinary course of business' (And if they are a business then they should have a reseller sub)

" A private sale of property is not a transaction that falls within the ambit of the CPA as this would not be in the ordinary course of business."

Reference:



There are also thresholds in terms of whether you qualify as a consumer based on your turnover/assets.
Understand that but we’ve had our prior settles settled because of such scams and with valid proof, can still be done.
 
We currently have people looking into his personal address, not taking this lightly at all. If anyone has it please message us with it, would be very pleased. Would appreciate help as scammers like these must be dealt with.
 
Morning.

First of all I would never sell faulty goods and give it a 9 /10 raiting. So let's start with the facts.

1. 2 of the pins that are shown in the video are bent outward 1 on the top side corner of the cpu and 1 on the bottom side corner. They are bent 90 deg. The pins next to them are perfectly fine with no damage. Other pins are bent on the other side of the Cpu as well

2. When I sent the package I did forget to send the tracking number (by accident) I was asked for the tracking number on the 24th of November to which I replied and sent it. I did phone Postnet where the package was sent to and they confirmed that the package was collected on the 23rd of November.

3. He has had the Cpu from the 23rd till now and only notified me about '' Damages '' on the 7th December.

4. The fact that @Glen knows the way I work and will not bullshit anyone. This is a slap in the face as the Cpu was working 100% and there was nothing wrong with it at all. I've sent many CPU's all over SA and I've never had any issue of damages. If it was damaged during transport its out of my control.
 
Well here's the kicker...
You forgot to mention you collected the CPU on the 23rd from Postnet, confirmed with your postnet...
You only contacted the seller yesterday saying that the pins are bent?
2 pins bent out at 90*, 1 on either side of 1 of the sides of the cpu, other pins perfectly straight....
Surely if it was packaging other pins next to the extreme sides would have some distortion?

Who buys anything from a 1st time seller on Carbonite and only opens the packaging "2 WEEKS LATER"

How can you prove the item was damaged by the seller and not transit or by yourself?
Strong claims of a scammer everywhere from you.
Maybe you should read the bad deals thread while you're at it....
  • No name-calling or flaming will be allowed. Tempers tend to flare when someone feels wronged, but the global core rules are to be obeyed and any transgressions will be dealt with accordingly.

You had more than enough time to open and inspect the item by the 24th.

I personally know DJPorra and he's a genuine guy.
I've seen all the messages, videos and threats from you slandering his name everywhere.
 
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CPA does not apply to second hand goods, this would have been sold as 'voetstoots'.

However, what happened to @Wraith is not on. If the product was shipped damaged then he should be refunded.
 
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We currently have people looking into his personal address, not taking this lightly at all. If anyone has it please message us with it, would be very pleased. Would appreciate help as scammers like these must be dealt with.

I'd be very careful for asking for personal information on a public forum, regardless of the purposes it's intended for.

The POPI act is in effect here and you should know better. Rather get those details via the proper/legal channels.
 
Morning.

First of all I would never sell faulty goods and give it a 9 /10 raiting. So let's start with the facts.

1. 2 of the pins that are shown in the video are bent outward 1 on the top side corner of the cpu and 1 on the bottom side corner. They are bent 90 deg. The pins next to them are perfectly fine with no damage. Other pins are bent on the other side of the Cpu as well

2. When I sent the package I did forget to send the tracking number (by accident) I was asked for the tracking number on the 24th of November to which I replied and sent it. I did phone Postnet where the package was sent to and they confirmed that the package was collected on the 23rd of November.

3. He has had the Cpu from the 23rd till now and only notified me about '' Damages '' on the 7th December.

4. The fact that @Glen knows the way I work and will not bullshit anyone. This is a slap in the face as the Cpu was working 100% and there was nothing wrong with it at all. I've sent many CPU's all over SA and I've never had any issue of damages. If it was damaged during transport its out of my control.
To debunk this.

1. As stated, due to the way it was wrapped by @DjPorra - the pins literally went through the bubble wrap and the cpu was placed inside a box where a small space was available for the cpu on top of the fan. There were 3 other bent pins totalling to 5 bent pins. In all the processors that we’ve had, you can literally see that type of bending is not possible by fault and I will update this thread with pictures as it’s a joke as to how we should be arguing over this matter as he arranged shipping too and paid for it with postnet when we use the courier guy.

2. Packaged was picked up on the 23RD and seemed fine upon arrival but had no use until we needed it for a build on the 7th. As postnet states, they are not liable for any lost items and they may dispose any items not picked up thus we picked it up on the 23RD of November.

3. Regardless of when notified, this was still in a state of utter destruction when picked up - date does not matter.

4.This also has no correlation with the matter as I could name many carb users that know that were honest in dealings, we thought we got a good deal from you so why would we purposefully break the item??
 
I would love to send videos
Well here's the kicker...
You forgot to mention you collected the CPU on the 23rd from Postnet, confirmed with your postnet...
You only contacted the seller yesterday saying that the pins are bent?
2 pins bent out at 90*, 1 on either side of 1 of the sides of the cpu, other pins perfectly straight....
Surely if it was packaging other pins next to the extreme sides would have some distortion?

Who buys anything from a 1st time seller on Carbonite and only opens the packaging "2 WEEKS LATER"

How can you prove the item was damaged by the seller and not transit or by yourself?
Strong claims of a scammer everywhere from you.
Maybe you should read the bad deals thread while you're at it....
  • No name-calling or flaming will be allowed. Tempers tend to flare when someone feels wronged, but the global core rules are to be obeyed and any transgressions will be dealt with accordingly.

You had more than enough time to open and inspect the item by the 24th.

I personally know DJPorra and he's a genuine guy.
I've seen all the messages, videos and threats from you slandering his name everywhere.
The way we’re being treated is shocking!

I’m an honest person in dealings, look at my Itrader - there’s no way someone can sell one something like this and get away with not refunding.
 
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I'd be very careful for asking for personal information on a public forum, regardless of the purposes it's intended for.

The POPI act is in effect here and you should know better. Rather get those details via the proper/legal channels.
Noted thank you
 
And im glad that im getting a response finally after a whole day of sending videos and messages to just be left on blue tick and feel cheated out of hard earned money like this.

Working out how to upload the videos to show how the wrapping paper physically won’t come out and another video showing more bent pins and how calm I was recording.

We understand it may be a lot and we were only being fair to ask for just R2000 instead of R2500.
 
And can we please also eliminate the idea of us “breaking” the item on purpose, we work with these components on a daily basis and we need to supply these pcs by next week - by supposedly breaking them ourselves, that would be just shooting ourselves in the foot 😅
 
And unfortunately if he won’t pay back, what can be done. I’ve understood that he could’ve not potentially meant to do this but now it comes out of my pocket for something I really couldn’t have stopped.

It’s all up to him to refund or not but willing to show proof and only ask that he can have the decency to call me and see what happened, I’ve since calmed down and Can only hope he can understand that R2500 is an unnecessary loss for this.

All things posted have been taken down and would like to just come to a mature agreement.

@DjPorra you’ve seen the videos just call or answer, please atleast have some form of accountability- I really do understand you may not have meant it
 
To debunk this.

1. As stated, due to the way it was wrapped by @DjPorra - the pins literally went through the bubble wrap and the cpu was placed inside a box where a small space was available for the cpu on top of the fan. There were 3 other bent pins totalling to 5 bent pins. In all the processors that we’ve had, you can literally see that type of bending is not possible by fault and I will update this thread with pictures as it’s a joke as to how we should be arguing over this matter as he arranged shipping too and paid for it with postnet when we use the courier guy.

2. Packaged was picked up on the 23RD and seemed fine upon arrival but had no use until we needed it for a build on the 7th. As postnet states, they are not liable for any lost items and they may dispose any items not picked up thus we picked it up on the 23RD of November.

3. Regardless of when notified, this was still in a state of utter destruction when picked up - date does not matter.

4.This also has no correlation with the matter as I could name many carb users that know that were honest in dealings, we thought we got a good deal from you so why would we purposefully break the item??

You picked up CPU from Post-net on the 23rd November 2021 ?
On the 7th of December, now you open up the package.
Okay.

14 Days went by.

Please DM me with some pics, and the video.
 
To debunk this.

1. As stated, due to the way it was wrapped by @DjPorra - the pins literally went through the bubble wrap and the cpu was placed inside a box where a small space was available for the cpu on top of the fan. There were 3 other bent pins totalling to 5 bent pins. In all the processors that we’ve had, you can literally see that type of bending is not possible by fault and I will update this thread with pictures as it’s a joke as to how we should be arguing over this matter as he arranged shipping too and paid for it with postnet when we use the courier guy.

2. Packaged was picked up on the 23RD and seemed fine upon arrival but had no use until we needed it for a build on the 7th. As postnet states, they are not liable for any lost items and they may dispose any items not picked up thus we picked it up on the 23RD of November.

3. Regardless of when notified, this was still in a state of utter destruction when picked up - date does not matter.

4.This also has no correlation with the matter as I could name many carb users that know that were honest in dealings, we thought we got a good deal from you so why would we purposefully break the item??
When I said that you never paid for the transport but I would send it you. You never said anything about sending it with TCG. The packaging was done in a way that would never have bent the pins. It was not tight at all in fact the cpu was wrapped in Bubble wrap and placed in the box and the box was also bubble wrapped.
 
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I would love to send videos

The way we’re being treated is shocking!

I’m an honest person in dealings, look at my Itrader - there’s no way someone can sell one something like this and get away with not refunding.
I've seen the videos, I've circled the crease marks on the outer box and sent them back to DJPorra.

You having great i-traders show you have done dealingings on carb smoothly for alot longer does not hold weight here.
If the roles were reversed and your first sell was like this and Porra had loads of i-traders does this make him automatically right?
Being a reseller you get these alot quicker.

The time frame does matter as you have the item in your possession for a long period of time (2 weeks)....grey area when claiming the goods were damaged by the sender prior to the courier sending them off.
Do you have actual proof of your statement that he and only him had damaged it?

How would the bubble wrap have damaged 2 very outer pins only and nothing else?
Please post the pic so people can see this and understand the full story.

If you used TCG why did you not arrange the courier but rather just pay the man the agreed amount of R2500 and let it be for him to ship it off?

Secondly why would you only request R2000 as a refund and not the full amount?

Things don't seem to add up from myside...

Let's leave the lawyers, tiktok and Facebook personal information search aside as we know if you deal with a lawyer they get all the personal information and deal with it from their side from a legal point of view...
 
3. Regardless of when notified, this was still in a state of utter destruction when picked up - date does not matter.
Of course it does. You can't prove that the state was one of "utter destruction" when picked up. By your own admission. Stating that would be wrong.
2 weeks from collection to complaint is just absurd. Seems you have way too much time and money to chase things you cannot objectively prove. I'm intrigued as to how this legal might you have is going to address this salient point you made.
 
Just to add something about @Wraith, he bought a monitor from me on the 24th Nov and he still hasn't sent a courier to pick it up, so I think the guy is just kind of busy and I think it's completely plausible that he didn't open the package up until he needed to. I'm sure it's happened to me before.
 
The way we’re being treated is shocking!
Well, honestly the way that you seem to be treating others is also shocking.

Firstly, as a reseller on here, it makes no sense that you would buy something from a new member with zero ratings and not inspect the item as soon as it’s received. Even if you have no use for it, I would have inspected the item for physical damage as soon as I received it. I would have also informed the seller that I would only be able to test it in a board 2 weeks later and ask if he was okay with that.

The fact that you expect someone to suddenly leave whatever they are doing to reply to you immediately and then threaten them with legal action on the very first day comes across as very entitled. I’m sorry to say but other people may have lives too. I often read messages in between meetings and sometimes reply a lot later. Doesn’t mean I’m ignoring someone, just means I’m busy.

Like others have mentioned, buying something second hand and then getting it shipped to you doesn’t make the seller fully responsible. Why should he have to be out of pocket for 2k or 2.5k when you chose to have the item shipped.

You claim that people shouldn’t accuse you of breaking anything intentionally because you do this on a daily basis, yet you don’t know the sellers experience and circumstances and yet you go all over the place accusing him of being a scammer when in fact you were the one that failed to do due diligence and inspect the item upon receiving it even though you run a business.

One last thing, the seller has 0 feedback and zero itrader but you may have many itraders but your feedback isn’t 100%… so someone else had an issue with you in the past.

Bottom line, if you inspected the item on the day it was received or the next, it would be a totally different situation. When I have concerns, I go as far as taking videos of me opening the package and testing it the first time so I have proof. As mentioned In Your other thread, when I ship something, I record everything so that I don’t have a a situation like this.
 
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