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So I updated the bios and set everything on default. Tried running prime95 (the small ftp or whatever setting). Computer froze within an hour. Temps maxed at 76 degrees. Faulty CPU? Ram? Mobo? This is not supposed to happen on default settings as all the throttling options are turned on. Any suggestions how to isolate the problem? Ram would be the easiest to exclude first with memtest86. I have a nasty suspicion its the cpu :(

Any help would be appreciated.
 
Late to the thread but will add. Ignore if irrelevant.

overclocking for 24/7 is a fairly simple process. It's overly complicated by a number of guides which aren't helping one get the best out of their system as a whole. They focus purely in the CPU clock and the AVX frequency. Ignored is the Cacheline and DRAM frequency/timings which at this point are more important than outright CPU internal clock frequency.

You can get similar if not identical performance at 5.2GHz as you could at 5GHz or even 4.8GHz depending on the rest of the system.
5.2GHz with an XMP 3200 can be slow and in fact even slower than 5GHz + 4000MHz/MT/s DRAM + 4.5GHz Cacheline frequency. If you have a board which has a questionable VRM for example, it may be better to focus on the rest of the system rather than just clock speed.

Also realize that you'll draw a lot less power at 5GHz than at 5.2GHz. In fact you can keep your CPU package power under 140W, if you configure your system correctly and in a balanced manner. Personally I never operate any rig over 1.3v in fact I keep it at 1.275v at the absolute max and tune the rest of the system. I can come in at 300W total system power draw v.s. just 240W for the CPU on it's own at 5GHz+

Nice to see that 5.2GHz for sure, but if you're just gaming, go for memory tuning rather :) Almost everyone's DRAM can do a lot better than they think.
 
Did not have a lot of time the weekend. Aiming for a 5ghz oc. Think I might have it stable on 1.245... not sure if that is good bas or average?
 
That's pretty good. Overclocking becomes addictive though so watch out.

At first you're just trying to get 5ghz and then it's 5.1ghz, and then suddenly you've ordered an LN2 pot and are under investigation by the police for ordering LN2 from the dark web. Speaking for a friend.
 
Lol no I highly doubt it. Have not oc'd in years, but think I will able to resist the temptation. I am actually considering just sticking to 4.8ghz atm. Have been messing around and it seems stable at 1.16v. Big improvement on temps as well.
 
Late to the thread but will add. Ignore if irrelevant.

overclocking for 24/7 is a fairly simple process. It's overly complicated by a number of guides which aren't helping one get the best out of their system as a whole. They focus purely in the CPU clock and the AVX frequency. Ignored is the Cacheline and DRAM frequency/timings which at this point are more important than outright CPU internal clock frequency.

You can get similar if not identical performance at 5.2GHz as you could at 5GHz or even 4.8GHz depending on the rest of the system.
5.2GHz with an XMP 3200 can be slow and in fact even slower than 5GHz + 4000MHz/MT/s DRAM + 4.5GHz Cacheline frequency. If you have a board which has a questionable VRM for example, it may be better to focus on the rest of the system rather than just clock speed.

Also realize that you'll draw a lot less power at 5GHz than at 5.2GHz. In fact you can keep your CPU package power under 140W, if you configure your system correctly and in a balanced manner. Personally I never operate any rig over 1.3v in fact I keep it at 1.275v at the absolute max and tune the rest of the system. I can come in at 300W total system power draw v.s. just 240W for the CPU on it's own at 5GHz+

Nice to see that 5.2GHz for sure, but if you're just gaming, go for memory tuning rather :) Almost everyone's DRAM can do a lot better than they think.

@Gouhan
I just bought these :( https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-Ripj...24000)+Desktop+Memory+Model+F4-3000C15D-32GVR

Rather sell and get something faster?

Also, do you maybe know of a good guide for MSI boards to do a setup like you suggested?
 
@Gouhan
I just bought these :(https://www.amazon.com/G-Skill-Ripj...24000)+Desktop+Memory+Model+F4-3000C15D-32GVR

Rather sell and get something faster?

Also, do you maybe know of a good guide for MSI boards to do a setup like you suggested?
Are those 2x16GB sticks you're using?

If so, it could prove a little time consuming overclocking these as I don't think they are B-die. Either way, not all hope is lost, I do think they can do 3,400 or maybe even 3600MHz which is more than fine.
The first thing you should try is just see if you can reach 3600MHz. MSI boards I believe also have DRAM profiles in some obscure sub-menu. If not, fear not you can just set really loose timings for example, 19-19-19-39 @ 1.4v. Set Command rate to 2N/2T and see if that works.
If you're stable with that and it's all good, then bring down the primary timings one at a time. So try 18-19-19-39, then 18-18-18-39, 17-18-18-39, next is 17-17-17-39 and so on.
If you are unstable at 18-18-18-39, 18-19-19-39 is still ok, you should tune the sub timings (like tFAW you can set to 23/24 for a start). Remember to set tWCL manually to 18 and start tuning like that. If you get to a point where you can no longer tighten the memory primary timings, you can move on to the others.
Yes, it's a time consuming process, but you'll find that DRAM can give you a lot more performance than you think and there's no need to buy new DRAM
 
@Gouhan

How much would the slacking off of latency timings impact performance for an 8th gen CPU?

I know faster and tighter are better for AMD CPUs because of their design and that slower timings impact Intel less, but can you really loosen the timing so much and see a gain?

Thanks for the input! Much appreciated. Memory overclocking is a dark art in my books.

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It'll be the same on 8th gen as the silicon is identical at least as far as this is concerned.
You should look at timings as measurements of cycles rather than absolute time even though they are closely related in as far as DRAM performance is concerned.
There are always going to be different levels of DRAM tuning you can get into. There's no need to get into anything past X.M.P but if you do, you have to divorce yourself from only thinking about the primary timings.You're not concerned about the default turbo frequency of a CPU, only how far you can overclock it. So too does this apply to DRAM overclocking. Knowing the default primary timings is great and you can discern plenty from that. However in getting performance out of the memory, you'll need a lot more than the XMP timings as they aren't as important initially.
At 3,600MHz on a DC setup you should want to get as close to 57.6GB/s in memory bandwidth. Typically you'll find you're not even in the 50/s but rather 45 ~ 47GB/s

timings as mentioned above outside of the primaries is where you want to look. Consider the tertiary timings in particular as they give some boost to effective bandwidth, bringing it close to theoretical max. In AIDA64 you can gain anywhere between 2 to up to 4GB/s sometimes in each of the READ, WRITE and COPY tests while lowering your latency and not compromising stability (as you largely left the primary timings as they were. These determine stability over all other settings or at least in priority).

Also realize whatever frequency you're aiming your sights on, consider the total latency (in time i.e ns) of the transaction, use this site - Ram Latency Calculator
to help you do this.
4500 C18 = 8ns
4200 C17 = 8ns
4000 C16 = 8ns

As you can see, in terms of absolute latency, all these frequency and CAS Latency combinations are the same. A motherboard and DRAM combination or either one exclusively may not be able to reach 4500MT/s for example (2250MHz), but it may very well do 4200 or even 4000. In which case, it's even more important to tune the sub timings. You can't make up for the bandwidth advantage the other frequencies and straps have, but you can match the latency and in a number of programs this is actually more important than outright bandwidth.

Try bring down tCKE to 6, along with tFAW (24, 23 and even 16 should be fine if you're adventurous), tRFC (You can usually bring this down to 350 or so without issue on OC boards, but if you're using 16GB DIMMs or 4 DIMMs 560 is alright) You could also try tREFI I usually set this to AUTO as it doesn't impact performance, but can compromise your stability. How to set this is also quite random form the outside as boards deal with this setting in differing ways). 15,600 is alright, 17,400 or what have you, even 65536 is ok. Again for stability more than anything.

This program can help as well in not only testing your memory settings, but doing so quickly (It's much faster than HCI or any other program, by some margin. - RAM Test - Karhu Software). Can pretty much test to 3,300% and be sure of absolute stability in around 41min depending on your CPU.

Finally. how DRAM tuning is important is simply because that's the most measurable or meaningful way in which motherboards are different. The rest is mostly BS, but making a board that's tuned well for all sorts of kits is tough and a constant challenge. As such they would rather place more focus on some other 'features'.
 
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Thank you for your time.

Edit: I’m going to try loosen the timing of my RAM and get the ghz up today.
 
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Out of interests sake what temp difference would a custom loop give compared to the larger AIOs, interested and also wondering if the TitanIce kits are worth their pricing or not as I cannot see what pumps alot of their kits come with just that it's dual reservoir so assume it's not a D5 pump etc etc
 

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