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Morning All,

So CUD is destroying the anus currently and I am really feeling an air focused ITX build currently (maybe AIO on GPU for temps and noise). And here I am asking Carb for your thoughts and feelings to what would be a better option, monetarily and effectively. I would obviously enjoy newer gen and younger parts, but if the 4th gen system is viable enough to last even a few months and worth building. Gib your thoughts plz bAusS :*

Restructuring this a little bit.

I have been offered a 4th gen that I turned down last night 4790k, board,16gb RAM which I am thinking on this morning that isn't too bad.

So what I want to focus on now is:

Mobo/CPU/RAM - R5000

GPU - Depending, absolute max R6000 but I think I will stay somewhere around R3-4k depending on how the rest of the build goes, may think of getting a 1080ti, But really want to see if a Vega 56 will fit in the case I want first.

PSU - R2-3k new 1-2k used

HDD's I basically want to swap my current drives for a different size, I have 4tb in 2x tb SSHD's, 1 2tb HDD and an SSD. I want to make this 2 or 3 SSD's equalling the same amount of space, maybe an M.2 SSD for the board if it supports it.

The case is Evlov Shift Mesh - R1200.

AIO for CPU -R800 POSSIBLY 2 AIO's for the GPU.

I want to get 3 x 140mm fans into the case to push good air, but I believe with an AIO installed, only 2 are possible.
Is it worth AIO'ing the CPU and possibly only have 2 x 140mm's or going with an air cooler and getting the 3 140mm's in?

Now, do I go the route of Ryzen for more core count and lower clocks? As I would enjoy the cores outside of gaming. Or do I go intel and get single-threaded performance. as above, I've been offered the 4th gen bundle. my concern is age and becoming obsolete even though it is still a rather tanky CPU.

Whilst outright performance is nice, I am feeling more drawn to more C/T since I have been on 4C/4 or 8T in all my computers. But I see with Ryzen CPU's they tend to draw quite a bit more power when OC'd kind of negating the performance against an intel at higher clock speeds and less power draw.

If I can fit my Vega 56 in the case, then I have more room for a CPU and can go up to something like a 3600 which I would be happy with. and would balance the system out more than just being heavily GPU focused. ANd I will be more than happy with that.

My other point is power draw, being in a small case, thermals are obviously a big point, lower power draw, less heat.

So full air or a bit of water in the case? Higher or lower power draw?
 
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Morning All,

So CUD is destroying the anus currently and I am really feeling an air focused ITX build currently (maybe AIO on GPU for temps and noise). And here I am asking Carb for your thoughts and feelings to what would be a better option, monetarily and effectively. I would obviously enjoy newer gen and younger parts, but if the 4th gen system is viable enough to last even a few months and worth building. Gib your thoughts plz bAusS :*

I am deciding between:

Just a Ryzen ITX mobo
Mobo and CPU
Intel ITX Mobo since I have an i5-4670K

Obviously the discussion is around whether the 4th gen still has a year/few months left in it (most likely OC'd) to warrant building it.

Would it be a significant enough performance gap to a 1st gen Ryzen to not be viable? and How significant is DDR4 over DDR3?

Also, last but not least, how rare is a R5 1500X? I don't see many of them at all, if any.
Why not get the 1600 from woot its based on the 12nm process and its R2k

What is your budget?
 
I would like to stay under R3k but I do know that is a beeeeeg stretch. I also then need to find and decide what will be air-cooled and what will be WC (CPU or GPU) as I will need a low profile cooler for the CPU, and most importantly, an SFX PSU.

I would prefer to WC the GPU just so that it does not expel that much heat into the case (Phanteks Shift Mesh).

I would also prefer the 1600 for the performance boost.
 
I would like to stay under R3k but I do know that is a beeeeeg stretch. I also then need to find and decide what will be air-cooled and what will be WC (CPU or GPU) as I will need a low profile cooler for the CPU, and most importantly, an SFX PSU.

I would prefer to WC the GPU just so that it does not expel that much heat into the case (Phanteks Shift Mesh).

I would also prefer the 1600 for the performance boost.
Wootware has a fully modular 500 watt sfx L for R1400 +-

Yeah you might need to add to that budget. Am4 itx boards are rare as diamonds. I also want to go itx but not boards going around atm.
 
Might look into that then,

Yeah I am busy scouring Combo items in the hopes that I can find an ITX board. xD
 
Yeah I am busy scouring Combo items in the hopes that I can find an ITX board. xD

I've looked into ITX and it's expensive.

The board has a 25% premium over a standard ATX.
The power supply is also more expensive, there's limited space for a good cooler and heat is a problem (I had an ITX Z77 motherboard before).
Then there's the issue of what happens if a DIMM or PCI-e slot dies.

A far better solution is to get the smallest ATX chassis possible - it's still fairly small but far cheaper and easier to work with.

MSI AMD Ryzen B450I GAMING PLUS AC £124.99
versus
MSI AMD Ryzen B450 TOMAHAWK MAX £104.99 (better specs and better price)

 
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Indeed the ATX is a cheaper and 'better' way to go, as you get more feature-rich set, but I am more than happy with the current build I have. The only reason for change is to move into this specific case and because of it, form factor.

I have wanted a shift build since the case came out and the opportunity is presenting itself. Otherwise I am going to need a really small ATX case, something like the Pc-011 dynamic mini, to convince me to stay full size. The one bummer, where I do agree with you Jolly in staying with a bigger form factor. Is that I bought a Seasonic Platinum PSU which is still on its way to me and I will not be able to use that and basically just have to immediately sell it off again.

What features are too important to you to give up when going ITX that ATX/M-ATX offers?
 
What features are too important to you to give up when going ITX that ATX/M-ATX offers?

Airflow/silent fans and PCIe slots. Also ATX is much easier to work on, especially if you're doing a loop.
 
Indeed, I see the value in Airflow, but If I can get 3 x 140mm in with a 140mm AIO, that would be my top-notch build, since it will keep everything cool and good amount of air being moved.

Not going to do a loop at all, the only thing I may do is Kraken my GPU later down the line, in which case I would swap the AIO the GPU instead of cpu.
 
Just for reference, i'm also in the market for upgrades, but thats besides the point, my current machine is a i7 2600 with 16GB Ram and a 980, at 1080p with graphics settings set to a mix of high and ultra, i generally get above 60 fps, so i would say, depending on your screen res and refresh rate go for the 4th gen, if my understanding is correct you looking for a "in the mean time" pc so if you gonna end up selling everything by mid year anyway, why spend big bucks knowing you dont need the pc lasting for the next couple of years

but that's just my 2 cents
 
Indeed, I see the value in Airflow, but If I can get 3 x 140mm in with a 140mm AIO, that would be my top-notch build, since it will keep everything cool and good amount of air being moved.

Not going to do a loop at all, the only thing I may do is Kraken my GPU later down the line, in which case I would swap the AIO the GPU instead of cpu.

You're not going to want go to air on the CPU once you've got warmer air coming off your AIO from the GPU, you're going to start hearing it on your CPU fans.

What ITX case have you got that allows 3x 140mm fans?
 
Indeed I thought of that. 144hz , 2 monitors(one 60hz) I get 144+ in every multiplayer title I play with low settings and medium textures. I mostly play games like that in any case because I don't see the value in most things looking all shiny and demanding, just sit in the middle, look good and do your thing. SP games I set to the middle with high textures sometimes.

Whilst this may be short term. If I can pick up something like a 3600 and pair it with a Vega 56, I will be more than happy with this build for 2+ years, as that usually my cycle of upgrades. only thing I may change around mid-year is GPU if something good comes along, or if I get the opportunity to WC something like I'm currently doing with my 980Ti
 
hence why it would go to the GPU, because I would be comfortable having ok temps with no OC on the CPU and offset that heat by WC the GPU , setting that to exhaust (possibly) and the other two as intake.

Evolv Shift Mesh is the case I want to buy.

Only thing is I have to choose where to put the AIO if I WC the GPU, because being at the bottom of the case as exhaust is not clever, rather have the pull fresh air in.
 
I've just finished building my Ryzen ITX build and the board alone was 2.7k off Wootware. If you can stretch your budget slightly for CPU, mobo, and RAM you can buy brand new parts which I'd say is the best way to go for the core of your system. GPU, and PSU can be used (generally the SFX psu's you'd need are fairly new, so they should still have warranty), but as mentioned above that 500w SFX-L for 1.4k is worth it, I'm about to go have a look at that now for my rig too, and a sub 20L case.

You can get a brand new R5 1600 (Evetech, ew), Gigabyte B450i Auros Pro Wifi (Wootware), and 16GB 3200mhz Klevv RAM (Evetech, ew) for around 6K. Full warranty, no worries for the next 3 years.

The stock cooler is good enough for the R5 1600, if you can fit it in the case you might as well use it and use the change for components that'll actually affect performance. It is rather noisy though.

And as for GPU, find the smallest possible card you want at the specific performance level you're after. This will help in future if you want to downscale even further, as you wont be limited by components and any space you can save in an ITX build is appreciated.

As for storage; that gigabyte board I mentioned above comes with an m.2 slot and a sweet looking heatsink on it. My recommendation, grab a high cap m.2 for your OS and programs/games, and just run off SATA SSD's for the rest. I would've done this but I already had a 1TB 860 Evo so didnt see the value in changing that out.
 
If I weren't keeping it, I would go with the 4790K combo, but I would prefer Ryzen and keeping this system for a while, therefore go with something like the 3600 if I can get hold of one, but more focused on staying within the Budget one the mobo/cpu/ram.
 
hence why it would go to the GPU, because I would be comfortable having ok temps with no OC on the CPU and offset that heat by WC the GPU , setting that to exhaust (possibly) and the other two as intake.

Evolv Shift Mesh is the case I want to buy.

Only thing is I have to choose where to put the AIO if I WC the GPU, because being at the bottom of the case as exhaust is not clever, rather have the pull fresh air in.

Don't waste your time with that case. You can put max 2x120mm AIOs only if you use slim fans. But there is no properly thought out exhaust on that case to get rid of hot air, plus your VRMs are going to suffer most likely.
 
I am most likely going to be getting the SF600 platinum from Rebeltech. Fuck Evetech, thank you very much. I get they can and cannot be finniky, but I do not like supporting shitty business practices. Plus their offices are a mess and a representation of their ethics/morals when dealing with customers. Rebeltech is nice, clean and smells good. and although they do not have couches, their couches aren't 10 centuries old with no cushion left in them. So I would rather go through them/Woot if anything.

I don't think I'll have the temptation to go smaller tbh, I just really really like the Evolv Shift aesthetics, and the mesh variant just literally sings in Choirs to my airflow addiction. AIO will only be in to keep less hot air floating in the case, as it will exhaust. I am considering new, and I know the boards are expensive, and so will weigh the options of used/vs 3 year warranties, as that is an appealing factor.

Also @Swish those PSU's are only coming in 17 April, so that a bummer even though it's a good deal. And the platinum-rated ones would be nice to have.
 
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Don't waste your time with that case. You can put max 2x120mm AIOs only if you use slim fans. But there is no properly thought out exhaust on that case to get rid of hot air, plus your VRMs are going to suffer most likely.


I will slap a 40mm or 80 mm fan on the VRM's with zip ties if they suffer that much. Otherwise I am ok with the temps even though there isn't a proper exhaust plan for this case, hence only wanting the mesh variant. This case would be my #1 if it had a top exhaust 140mm.
 
Check out what this guy did.
@SohailCPT
I just got an Evolv shift X off carb and I have to agree with you about the aesthetics - This thing is gorgeous, although a bit too big for ITX.
I am curious as to why you insist on AIOs but have a tight budget. Do you have them already? I just use this R500 air cooler. RAIJINTEK Pallas 120 RGB CPU Cooler - Best Deal - South Africa I’ve never hit 80C with a 3.9Ghz OC on a R 5 1600x
 
1st gen Ryzen would be a much better suite.
ddr4 ram
am4 socket (changeable to a 16core beast if you ever need)
overclocking out the box
1st gen 1600AF similar to a 2600 performance

pricecy now is alot better then later

4th gen can behad for cheap
my 2nd rig is a i5 4590 at the moment its enough and was cheap to upgrade,
gaming is great with a new 450watt psu and 8gb ram 500gb ssd and a RX 570-4gb
nothing wrong with my current experience.

its my weekend rig
 
What are your system temps in general?

and do you sit in the 70's or between 60-80?

I have an AIO cooling my GPU currently that will offset that basically, but it is more so that it offset's heat being pushed back into the case, ideally, it would be better to be on the GPU as that expells way more heat, but I'm not voiding the warranty on a card and don't want to hold onto the 980ti, so that will be something to consider now too, is whether I should actually hold onto it or not.
 
Why not just get the NZXT H1? If they make a version with mesh front that is.
 
Because I want the Shift Evolv Mesh? and the reason I am looking at any of this?
 
What are your system temps in general?

and do you sit in the 70's or between 60-80?

I have an AIO cooling my GPU currently that will offset that basically, but it is more so that it offset's heat being pushed back into the case, ideally, it would be better to be on the GPU as that expells way more heat, but I'm not voiding the warranty on a card and don't want to hold onto the 980ti, so that will be something to consider now too, is whether I should actually hold onto it or not.
RYZEN 5 2600 @ 63DEG
WITH A GAMMAX 400

GTX 1060 WINDFORCE @ 59DEG

CASE
COUGAR QBX mini ITX build
 
I thought I saw $130 when I watched a review
doubt it
CASE / M22 aio / 650w PSU for 130 dollars i wish
Rough prices
case 85 dollars
m22 aio 95 dollar
650w psu 85 dollar
riser cable 10 dollar
 
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