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Buying advice - preowned BMW 335i as my next daily

You can also have a look at the F30 330D's. Have mine for 3 years now and could not be happier. Downpipe and stage 2 software took it up to 230KW and 760nm. A LOT of fun for those spirited drives and super fuel efficient if you're driving like a sane human being.

My fuel consumption urban is 14-15km/L average if I'm adhering to the speed limits. It gets down to 12km/L if I'm giving it the beans most of the time, which is still very good in my opinion. Open road I average around 20km/L.

The N57 engines are quite bulletproof. I've had no maintenance on the car yet. Just the routine services, with an additional oil service every 7500km. It just keeps going if you care for it.
This right here is some great advice.

A 330d is IMO a happy compromise between performance and fuel economy. A more reliable engine compared to the N55 as well.

The 335i chows fuel, 12L/100KM when driving nicely and higher when you're having fun. i20 is light at around 8L/100KM
i20 you fill a tank and get around 400KM, with the 335i although being a bigger tank you'll get around the same mileage out of it.

One does not buy a 335i to drive like Miss Daisy and try save fuel, but it is a cost you need to be prepared for.
As well as when shit goes south and the engine requires some costlier repairs - blow a turbo, run bearings.

You say diesel is not for you, but you're talking about some VW 1.9 TDI...
Go test drive a 330D and test drive a 335i, there is a bit of a difference but the 330D tunes nicely and it is recommended to remove the DPF anyways when the mileage gets higher and if you are doing shorter trips and with a downpipe and software, you are making power very close to a 335i on the wheels.

I feel it is something you should consider a bit more. Otherwise the 335i is a great car, loads of fun but can be a bit costly at times and the costs can be surprising as well and leave one without a car if you are not prepared for it.
 
I would pay off the i20 first, keep it and then go get a high performance car as a second car. This way you have a affordable daily runner and a high performance car that you do not pile mileage onto.

Yes you pay for 2 cars maintenance and insurance but in the long run it safer.

But to me, the best car is a paid off car.
 
At 23, he's going to get nailed hard on insurance, or they might refuse to insure at all. Some insurers don't insure anyone under 25 for sporty vehicles. Fuel consumption going from i20 to 335i, double it. I'm not kidding. Tyres you're looking at 3+ times more per full set depending on the rim size of the 335i. General services are going to cost way more as well. The running costs will outweigh the benefits. It would only make sense as a weekend car.
 
So A bit of a long read but I was in a Similar situation to you around a Similar age, I was 22 in 2017 when I was driving a 1.9 tdi Sportline, Been a Car enthusiast always have an itch for another car.

Drove the TDI for awhile but always had my eye set on an E90 330D, in 2018 June found a great spec LeMans blue 330D which I bought while I still had the TDI, after 2 months sold the TDI as it was just standing as I was dailying the 330D on my 140km round trip commute to work.

Ended up spending quite a bit of money on the 330D modding it, including Software and A full straight pipe setup, people under estimate how good the Diesel straight 6 sounds with a straight pipe, most people thought it was a 335 until they saw the Badges.
Fuel Consumption wise, If you drove decently you got great fuel economy but if you got your foot flat most of the time you payed the price.

In February 2019 The itch came back as I found a Beaut of a E92 335i N54 Manual, every mod was done the only next step was upgrading the turbos, pulled the trigger while still having the 330D. Two Months later I sold the 330D as financially it made more sense for me to get a smaller car for my commute and keep the 335 as a toy because boy oh boy was she thirsty there was no way I was going to be daily driving her, 450km on a full 60L tank of fuel while feathering the throttle. Ended up replacing the 330D with another 1.9 TDI Sportline as my daily.

I owned the 335i for exactly 2 years sold it in February 2021 as I needed to purchase a house, As much as I would love to have kept it financially did not make any sense but as you get older you realise cars come and go.

The 335i was an amazing car, its an experience like no other however that experience costs a lot, In my two years of Ownership only thing that had to be replaced was the waterpump which cost 8k however my car I knew had been looked after and meticulously cared for by the previous owner. the amount of maintenance parts on a 335i that needs to be taken care of can add up real quick, just a few as an example: waterpump, leaking injectors, High pressure fuel pump, leaky boost pipes, valve cover leak, carbon build up on intakes, vanos solenoids, Turbo failure, wastegate rattle, etc. Those are just things that are common issues which were more towards the N54 which I had but some still carried over to the N55 as well.

If I looks back at it now I wish I could have bought my house and kept the 335i but life happens, I still got my second 1.9 tdi as my daily and in the future will get another car which excites me.

Things to think about:

Definitely keep the 330D as an option, maybe test drive one and see, @JdW is 100% correct the N57 motors are bullet proof you literally just keep up to date with your Services and check the vibration dampener pulley every 60-80k km for any cracks change if needed and carry on enjoying great fuel economy and power when needed. Its the best feeling seeing the face of the guy in his GTI getting Gapped by a diesel.

If your commute is only 12-15km then the 335i can be used as your daily however they are performance vehicles and are prone to problems, you have to see if the car needs repairs will you be able to sit without it for sometime. If you do plan to daily would recommend finding one that still in motorplan or definitely take an aftermarket warranty. If you decide to buy one which is out of plan and don't take an aftermarket warranty make sure to find a mechanic or workshop which you can trust wont screw you over as most of them will end up costing you triple just changing unnecessary parts trying to figure out what the issue is as troubleshooting some issues on 335's can be a nightmare.

Almost everything for a BMW is expensive at the Agents but if you are handy or have a good mech things get get done way cheaper without compromising on quality, for example the 330D needed new Pads and Discs front and back, agents quoted 16K, bought the Pads and Discs from incomex in centurion which costed R4300 and fitted myself.

The price of a service for your i20 is going to be a 3rd of the cost for a 335, Tyres will probably be 4 to 5 times the cost compared to your i20 depending if you continue with run flats or not, In general anything that needs to be replaced will cost at minimum an average of at least double what your i20 would cost.

Depending if you go manual or auto, if you go Manual the clutch would probably cost 3 times the price of your i20 clutch, and if you go auto if the clutches in the box start slipping an overhaul at ZF (they make the gearboxes in most BMWs) will cost between 35-45k while a replacement you looking around 70k. Also Auto gearboxes BMW say are sealed for life which is not true as they dont care what happens after motorplan, the oil in your auto box should be change every 80k KM, ZF do this.

Its always great having two cars but sit down and work about your budget and every cost involved for both cars such as, insurance, services, maintenance, unexpected repairs, yearly licenses, etc and make a decision from, remember the most important thing is you don't ever want to over commit and become car poor because your whole salary is literally paying for your cars.

If you do decide to go for a 335 make sure the one you looking at has been taken care of, get the VIN and check with BMW if there are any comments on the vehicle, this will tell you whether it was in an accident while it was under plan, get a print out of the motorplan, this will tell you every part which was changed under plan, join the BMW Fanatics forum, pretty active and plenty of knowledgeable people there and people who can help you check all this info with a VIN.

Last thing to remember is, you only live once, do whats going to make you happy at the end of the day.

I hope all this information helps you make an informed decision, feel free to PM if you want to ask about anything specific.
 
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So I bought my First 2 BMW's before I turned 24. My first car was a Polo at age 21, 23 and 24 I purchased 2 bmw's. If you buying to sell take a mechanic with. having it serviced by BMW cost myself over 12K that one time I went to BMW with my Car. if you not earning I would say atleast 25K a month dont do it. Once it breaks it breaks. and as a daily you will suffer on fuel lets not even talk insurance. + if you like me the cops will haunt you for having a flashy car at a young age. cant tell you how many times I got pulled over and slapped for no reason. Well not no reason just me asking if I did anything wrong and asking if they had a warrent to search me. So yeah... Much rather get something light on Juice and easy maintenance. I would say Go Toyota or VW for ease of parts and servicing. Audi is just as bad. Having owned about 5 of them by the time I was 26. also had a nissan 350z Fairlady(Extremely Good Engines). But if you plan on making cash with it. Go ahead but do not keep it longer than 2 to 3 months. Sell it. I was coining it in my younger days buying and selling cars. and if I had the oppurtunity i.e. R80 000 laying somewhere I will be buying and selling cars again. also Join the BMW Car Clucb Cape Town. Great Guys and knowledge there they will give you sound advice Log in to Facebook
Thanks man will definitely check out there group, the 350z was also one of my first choices besides the 335i but i also thought about turbocharging it and ultimately thought about the 335i platform
 
Thanks man will definitely check out there group, the 350z was also one of my first choices besides the 335i but i also thought about turbocharging it and ultimately thought about the 335i platform
there is a Supercharger Bolt on kit for the 350z... Costs about 25K and the 350z is already with the SC Kit it will be insane.
 
there is a Supercharger Bolt on kit for the 350z... Costs about 25K and the 350z is already with the SC Kit it will be insane.
25k ???? i thought it was much more for the whole kit
 
What is it with youngsters and wanting fast cars...

Get yourself a naturally aspirated Japanese car. Reliable, cheap to maintain, low insurance premium, low fuel costs.
Will last you long time...
jap cars are life .. but the 335i is something to admire as well its just beautiful
 
How is a motor that needs 1LT of oil with every full tank and need bearings replaced at 60k kms an "amazing motor?"

I think some people are delusional or seriously brain washed!
 
So A bit of a long read but I was in a Similar situation to you around a Similar age, I was 22 in 2017 when I was driving a 1.9 tdi Sportline, Been a Car enthusiast always have an itch for another car.

Drove the TDI for awhile but always had my eye set on an E90 330D, in 2018 June found a great spec LeMans blue 330D which I bought while I still had the TDI, after 2 months sold the TDI as it was just standing as I was dailying the 330D on my 140km round trip commute to work.

Ended up spending quite a bit of money on the 330D modding it, including Software and A full straight pipe setup, people under estimate how good the Diesel straight 6 sounds with a straight pipe, most people thought it was a 335 until they saw the Badges.
Fuel Consumption wise, If you drove decently you got great fuel economy but if you got your foot flat most of the time you payed the price.

In February 2019 The itch came back as I found a Beaut of a E92 335i N54 Manual, every mod was done the only next step was upgrading the turbos, pulled the trigger while still having the 330D. Two Months later I sold the 330D as financially it made more sense for me to get a smaller car for my commute and keep the 335 as a toy because boy oh boy was she thirsty there was no way I was going to be daily driving her, 450km on a full 60L tank of fuel while featuring the throttle. Ended up replacing the 330D with another 1.9 TDI Sportline as my daily.

I owned the 335i for exactly 2 years sold it in February 2021 as I needed to purchase a house, As much as I would love to have kept it financially did not make any sense but as you get older you realise cars come and go.

The 335i was an amazing car, its an experience like no other however that experience costs a lot, In my two years of Ownership only thing that had to be replaced was the waterpump which cost 8k however my car I knew had been looked after and meticulously cared for by the previous owner. the amount of maintenance parts on a 335i that needs to be taken care of can add up real quick, just a few as an example: waterpump, leaking injectors, High pressure fuel pump, leaky boost pipes, valve cover leak, carbon build up on intakes, vanos solenoids, Turbo failure, wastegate rattle, etc. Those are just things that are common issues which were more towards the N54 which I had but some still carried over to the N55 as well.

If I looks back at it now I wish I could have bought my house and kept the 335i but life happens, I still got my second 1.9 tdi as my daily and in the future will get another car which excites me.

Things to think about:

Definitely keep the 330D as an option, maybe test drive one and see, @JdW is 100% correct the N57 motors are bullet proof you literally just keep up to date with your Services and check the vibration dampener pulley every 60-80k km for any cracks change if needed and carry on enjoying great fuel economy and power when needed. Its the best feeling seeing the face of the guy in his GTI getting Gapped by a diesel.

If your commute is only 12-15km then the 335i can be used as your daily however they are performance vehicles and are prone to problems, you have to see if the car needs repairs will you be able to sit without it for sometime. If you do plan to daily would recommend finding one that still in motorplan or definitely take an aftermarket warranty. If you decide to buy one which is out of plan and don't take an aftermarket warranty make sure to find a mechanic or workshop which you can trust wont screw you over as most of them will end up costing you triple just changing unnecessary parts trying to figure out what the issue is as troubleshooting some issues on 335's can be a nightmare.

Almost everything for a BMW is expensive at the Agents but if you are handy or have a good mech things get get done way cheaper without compromising on quality, for example the 330D needed new Pads and Discs front and back, agents quoted 16K, bought the Pads and Discs from incomex in centurion which costed R4300 and fitted myself.

The price of a service for your i20 is going to be a 3rd of the cost for a 335, Tyres will probably be 4 to 5 times the cost compared to your i20 depending if you continue with run flats or not, In general anything that needs to be replaced will cost at minimum an average of at least double what your i20 would cost.

Depending if you go manual or auto, if you go Manual the clutch would probably cost 3 times the price of your i20 clutch, and if you go auto if the clutches in the box start slipping an overhaul at ZF (they make the gearboxes in most BMWs) will cost between 35-45k while a replacement you looking around 70k. Also Auto gearboxes BMW say are sealed for life which is not true as they dont care what happens after motorplan, the oil in your auto box should be change every 80k KM, ZF do this.

Its always great having two cars but sit down and work about your budget and every cost involved for both cars such as, insurance, services, maintenance, unexpected repairs, yearly licenses, etc and make a decision from, remember the most important thing is you don't ever want to over commit and become car poor because your whole salary is literally paying for your cars.

If you do decide to go for a 335 make sure the one you looking at has been taken care of, get the VIN and check with BMW if there are any comments on the vehicle, this will tell you whether it was in an accident while it was under plan, get a print out of the motorplan, this will tell you every part which was changed under plan, join the BMW Fanatics forum, pretty active and plenty of knowledgeable people there and people who can help you check all this info with a VIN.

Last thing to remember is, you only live once, do whats going to make you happy at the end of the day.

I hope all this information helps you make an informed decision, feel free to PM if you want to ask about anything specific.
Thank you for your advice it really does help broaden the scope- definitely alot to think about , I will keep all those main points in mind- i think if i decide to keep both cars i need to buy the "toy car" cash - my family is totally against it unfortunately - i want to do something special for myself ...
 
How is a motor that needs 1LT of oil with every full tank and need bearings replaced at 60k kms an "amazing motor?"

I think some people are delusional or seriously brain washed!

It's all about the badge. Stick a BMW or Audi badge on and suddenly the engine's a fantastic piece of German engineering.

Badge loyalty in SA is big too, I remember how Toyota stuck their badge on a Suzuki Baleno and in one month it sold 1100+, almost double the number of Baleno's sold in an entire year :LOL:
 
How is a motor that needs 1LT of oil with every full tank and need bearings replaced at 60k kms an "amazing motor?"

I think some people are delusional or seriously brain washed!
its just the motor they ended up fixing it in the b58 revision but this is beyond most people cost factors
 
How is a motor that needs 1LT of oil with every full tank and need bearings replaced at 60k kms an "amazing motor?"

I think some people are delusional or seriously brain washed!
I didn't want to say this, But yeah... thats not normal
 
Thank you to everyone who advised me today I appreciate the time and your shared experiences - I will definitely revisit my options and not be impulsive in my final decision - this will definitely happen next year hopefully when its time its something ill be happy with at the end of the day :D
 
The tyres are expensive R2k to R3k a pop... If you buying out of plan then be mindful of the parts pricing if something needs to be replaced... Get yourself a good BMW mechanic before you buy the car...coz simple parts can cost you a arm and a leg if misdiagnosed...

Fill oil all the time... Please... These N55 runs bearings like it's not funny... Atleast 1 litre per full tank is needed depending on driving style...

Where do you get tires so cheap? Are they non runflats?

Your oil situation sounds terrible. I've had my 335i for ~100k km now and put in maybe 5 oil topups.
 
id love to but abit unrealistic at my salary and age if you think about bond repayments - food - water & electricity etc :(
Dude I bought my house at 26 years old... I wasnt earning alot... the bond I apllied for was 1,2m but I bought for 650K. house now worth over R1.3m monthly installment is R5K.. Just apply way better to have a house than a car...
 
id love to but abit unrealistic at my salary and age if you think about bond repayments - food - water & electricity etc :(
Yes its hard but will be more rewarding than buying another car when you have a perfectly fine car at the moment. Save the extra bucks and when you have enough buy a start up property rent it out. But I guess our younger selves always want car first but you already have one.
 
What year model did you have and year?

Sitting in the same position as OP but I feel as the price of petrol goes the i20 is alot cheaper to maintain plus you will drive 1 tank every 3rd week as to maybe 2 in a sportier car xD
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Dude I bought my house at 26 years old... I wasnt earning alot... the bond I apllied for was 1,2m but I bought for 650K. house now worth over R1.3m monthly installment is R5K.. Just apply way better to have a house than a car...
I agree with you bud, If i invested in a house when i bought my first financed vehicle i would already be over 10years into my bond by now... Its kinda sad to think about, But i also made the mistake at 19 wanted a fast car.. Got myself a 2008 Mazda 3 Mps, put alOOOOOot of money under the hood and it was waaay thirstier than i could have ever anticipated for.... Costs were just crazy ..

Would buy a house or even a 2 bed flat anyday :)
 
If you have cashflow and bank you'll be fine. You can daily the shit out of it, but obviously parts and maintenance cost MUCH more so just be aware of that. Best advice anyone will give you is keep your fuel efficient cheap i20 until you're truly comfortable to buy a sports car. Because if you were truly ready you wouldn't even be asking for advice, agree? If I were in your shoes id keep the i20 everyday of the week, very good car. Trust bud, with sportscars its one thing buying the car, another thing maintaining and fixing the car. You don't want to be in a position where something breaks and the car has to be parked for a month because you cant afford the parts (and labor). I'm the same age as you and i've experienced this the hard way. So yeah chill and don't rush, you'll get your bmw when the time comes.
 
It's all about the badge. Stick a BMW or Audi badge on and suddenly the engine's a fantastic piece of German engineering.

Badge loyalty in SA is big too, I remember how Toyota stuck their badge on a Suzuki Baleno and in one month it sold 1100+, almost double the number of Baleno's sold in an entire year :LOL:

Same story as the Urban Cruiser and Vitara Brezza.

They identical baring the badges but the Toyota cost slightly more and has 2 years less warranty and 1 year less service plan. Yet the Toyota out sells the Suzuki 10:1
 
id love to but abit unrealistic at my salary and age if you think about bond repayments - food - water & electricity etc :(
I hope I don't come across as disrespectful here, but if I could give you some advice - If you can't afford a bond right now, don't buy an expensive car.

23 is still young, but the quicker you buy a house the better. Adding extra expenses like a bigger vehicle finance, the maintenance and insurance increase will mean unless you get pretty good salary increases, you're making it even harder to afford a house for the next few years.
An unlike cars, houses will keep/increase in value so even if you want to buy a house in 5 years when you pay off your car, the houses will most likely cost more.

I'd highly suggest either getting a bond or saving for it if you can't. After you get your house, then when you have enough spare money, get your sports car.


you cant make dump valve noises with a house
I do, in the toilet
 
I hope I don't come across as disrespectful here, but if I could give you some advice - If you can't afford a bond right now, don't buy an expensive car.

23 is still young, but the quicker you buy a house the better. Adding extra expenses like a bigger vehicle finance, the maintenance and insurance increase will mean unless you get pretty good salary increases, you're making it even harder to afford a house for the next few years.
An unlike cars, houses will keep/increase in value so even if you want to buy a house in 5 years when you pay off your car, the houses will most likely cost more.

I'd highly suggest either getting a bond or saving for it if you can't. After you get your house, then when you have enough spare money, get your sports car.



I do, in the toilet
Nah bro I'm open to discussion as i would like to see everyones experiences and see pros and cons, it may not even be a bmw next year it could even be something cheaper like a 350z but the advice everyone has given me is more valuable then searching online and seeing a couple rich americans tell me there side of things - as south africans we are not blessed with coupons and funding from the government if we want something we have to work to the bone to get it no freebies or handouts and i can tell you right now i worked to the bone with terrible hours no weekends just for that deposit i saved
 
Nah bro I'm open to discussion as i would like to see everyones experiences and see pros and cons, it may not even be a bmw next year it could even be something cheaper like a 350z but the advice everyone has given me is more valuable then searching online and seeing a couple rich americans tell me there side of things - as south africans we are not blessed with coupons and funding from the government if we want something we have to work to the bone to get it no freebies or handouts and i can tell you right now i worked to the bone with terrible hours no weekends just for that deposit i saved
The 335i is fantastic and will most likely be my next car but the maintenance costs are real on a BM. Currently I'm driving a E90 330i and I love it but like everyone said, you need to be aware of the maintenance costs as it is way more expensive compared to an i20.

If you are itching for a performance car I would suggest looking at a Civic Type R, 2009-2011 FN2 model. They are lots of fun to drive and reliability is really good on the them.
 

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