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Any truth in the HD58x Jubilee being a rebranded HD660s?
Interesting read...
One might think the HD58X Jubilee is a poor man’s HD660S and would not be far off in that assumption.
The HD660S is somewhat more ‘refined’ and ‘tighter/neutral’.
At this price-point the HD58X is very hard to beat.
The good news is that with some small modifications the HD58X can sound VERY close to the HD660S for just a fraction of the HD660S’s price.
 
asking once again ..... anybody here used any ifi DAC/AMPs ..... i have ordered an ifi iDSD Micro Black Label ....... and according to the guys from Audio Exchange it is at customs at the moment waiting for clearance ...... and i should be having it soon but just curious if anyone has used one of these units before ...... and what headphones might constitute a good match for it
 
asking once again ..... anybody here used any ifi DAC/AMPs ..... i have ordered an ifi iDSD Micro Black Label ....... and according to the guys from Audio Exchange it is at customs at the moment waiting for clearance ...... and i should be having it soon but just curious if anyone has used one of these units before ...... and what headphones might constitute a good match for it

So not my thoughts because I've never used one, but based on measurements:
AudioScienceReview said:
As such, iFi iDSD Black Edition gets my strongest recommendation in headphone DACs and Amplifiers

Looks like you have a winner there.
 
As an aside, thanks to Load Shedding, I f*ing love my SoundBlaster E3. Not gonna lie, I was somewhat on the fence about getting it initially, mostly because I thouight maybe I'd be better served by a desktop unit (which I still plan to get) but boom load shedding and man am I happy with this thing because:
  1. It has a battery
  2. Bluetooth from iPad/iPhone
  3. (here's the kicker....) two headphone outs so the wife and I could listen together :)
 
So not my thoughts because I've never used one, but based on measurements:


Looks like you have a winner there.

thanks for the link - i hadn't seen that one before (y)
 
thanks for the link - i hadn't seen that one before (y)

It's like the Anti-Zeos. Zeos is all emotion and rambling in a video, spitball what he hears/feels. ASR is measurements, on paper, graphs etc, comparison, but still with a sound/listening review.

EDIT: not implying the one approach is better than other, just contrasting the two :)
 
any way does anyone have an onion on the monoprice desktop amp?

Sandwiches, toasters, onions, I'm confused :unsure:

Not having used it myself but again, from recent reading/reviews/etc cause I might be looking to get a desktop amp, it appears that the Liquid Spark is very good at its price point and is recommended. I'm considering the JDS Labs Atom myself but purely because I prefer it aesthetically. But I may just decide to hold-off for now and getting something higher-end at a later date.
 
so the monoprice will come to like 2k with shipping, out of my price range, ive seen the following to on banggood and gearbest,
which seem to be clones of each other, the x6 seems to be powerful enough to run a dt990
the output of both seem to be the same :
Output power: 90mw/600 ohms, 180mw/300 ohms, 450mw/100 ohms, 610mw/62 ohms, 910mw/32 ohms, 1000mw/16 ohms.
it could probably get me to december when i could get a brand name amp.
 
so the monoprice will come to like 2k with shipping, out of my price range, ive seen the following to on banggood and gearbest,
which seem to be clones of each other, the x6 seems to be powerful enough to run a dt990
the output of both seem to be the same :
Output power: 90mw/600 ohms, 180mw/300 ohms, 450mw/100 ohms, 610mw/62 ohms, 910mw/32 ohms, 1000mw/16 ohms.
it could probably get me to december when i could get a brand name amp.

You sure that would include taxes etc. You might find that once customs etc. get added on you end up R2k anyway, then again that unit has a DAC whereas the Liquid Spark is only an amp
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Do you need a DAC/Amp or just an Amp? If just and amp then maybe this will fill the bill?

Otherwise scour the second hand sales.
 
You sure that would include taxes etc. You might find that once customs etc. get added on you end up R2k anyway, then again that unit has a DAC whereas the Liquid Spark is only an amp
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Do you need a DAC/Amp or just an Amp? If just and amp then maybe this will fill the bill?

Otherwise scour the second hand sales.
hi need an amp, to power 250ohm headphone, both amps from gearbest have build in dac
 
Don't underestimate the importance of the DAC...it changes (can change) everything.
not sure if you where responding to me but the Fx audio and Lynepauaio both have 24bit dac build in:
The DAC part adopts the fine CS8416+CS4398, and the amp chip-set adopts OP275+TPA6120, DAC+ digital audio decoder, which is a shocking music sound field.
As a common fever chip combination, CS8416+CS4398 has a detailed record in the electronic magazine and various application materials. It can be seen that its performance and sound quality are recognized by the majority of music lovers. What we do is optimize the power supply and adopt high precision. The active crystal oscillator makes the effect reach its limit.

i dont understand what the about gay stuff mean but i guess it should be okay.
 
It's like the Anti-Zeos. Zeos is all emotion and rambling in a video, spitball what he hears/feels. ASR is measurements, on paper, graphs etc, comparison, but still with a sound/listening review.

EDIT: not implying the one approach is better than other, just contrasting the two :)
I prefer Zeos's way tbh. I want to know what you hear. Don't want a graph to tell me whay I should hear. Thats asking which version of a brail book a deaf person prefers by giving them an audio book to compare
 
The thing about Zeos' ramblings is that they can hold very valuable supplementary info. Like what to pair it with or what else might be similar. Or even what might be vastly better for similar money.
An objective review just litters you with jargon you may not understand.
 
The problem I have with some of these "objective approaches" is that most of these reviewers are sheep who regurgutate the same marketing bullshit
 
not sure if you where responding to me but the Fx audio and Lynepauaio both have 24bit dac build in:

I think the response is because I asked if you wanted a dac/amp or just an amp and you replied an amp, so @Ninja_Theory was responding in the context of that

I prefer Zeos's way tbh. I want to know what you hear. Don't want a graph to tell me whay I should hear. Thats asking which version of a brail book a deaf person prefers by giving them an audio book to compare
The thing about Zeos' ramblings is that they can hold very valuable supplementary info. Like what to pair it with or what else might be similar. Or even what might be vastly better for similar money.
An objective review just litters you with jargon you may not understand.

As I said, I think both are useful, and measurements can be used to verify/quantify what someone is hearing etc. Zeos says something is overly bright and response graph shows it is bright - bingo it is bright. Zeos says it is bright and response graph says it is neutral... well, now you have someone's subjective opinion vs an objective (if done properly) measurement. It might be that Zeos is sensitive to bright headphones, or prefers a warmer sound, or whatever. Flip side, as you said, the graph can't tell you what you are meant to hear.

For an amp though measurements can be very useful because one can measure things like voltage spikes etc. Max power output (vs claimed specs). Or if you want a purely neutral amp, either to match your neutral headphones or on the flip side because you don't want it to either compete with the headphones color or over-ehance the headphones color then measurements are better than someone's opinion that it sounds neutral. Likewise it can tell you if bass rolls off too early, etc.

My point is, I guess, if you find a reviewer whose tastes and preferences align perfectly with yours then 100%, but to me it is useful, if only as a comparison to the reviewer's opinion.
 
I think the response is because I asked if you wanted a dac/amp or just an amp and you replied an amp, so @Ninja_Theory was responding in the context of that




As I said, I think both are useful, and measurements can be used to verify/quantify what someone is hearing etc. Zeos says something is overly bright and response graph shows it is bright - bingo it is bright. Zeos says it is bright and response graph says it is neutral... well, now you have someone's subjective opinion vs an objective (if done properly) measurement. It might be that Zeos is sensitive to bright headphones, or prefers a warmer sound, or whatever. Flip side, as you said, the graph can't tell you what you are meant to hear.

For an amp though measurements can be very useful because one can measure things like voltage spikes etc. Max power output (vs claimed specs). Or if you want a purely neutral amp, either to match your neutral headphones or on the flip side because you don't want it to either compete with the headphones color or over-ehance the headphones color then measurements are better than someone's opinion that it sounds neutral. Likewise it can tell you if bass rolls off too early, etc.

My point is, I guess, if you find a reviewer whose tastes and preferences align perfectly with yours then 100%, but to me it is useful, if only as a comparison to the reviewer's opinion.
Oh yeah don't get me wrong, I am not saying they serve no purpose. Just that I don't like them. The Germans will analise those graphs will Grado will listen to what sounds good to them. Just a preference.
 

Holy fuck could that be any longer.....

Takes even longer than Zeos to finish.




In other news I rewatched the first Avengers movie yesterday evening (5.1 upmixed to 7.1 with reverb on level one and audio from the front) . Wow. I mean holy fuck wow. Much more visceral experience. Was fantastic.
And right after felt sad I didn't already own the X2 and GSX1200 long ago.
 
I think the response is because I asked if you wanted a dac/amp or just an amp and you replied an amp, so @Ninja_Theory was responding in the context of that




As I said, I think both are useful, and measurements can be used to verify/quantify what someone is hearing etc. Zeos says something is overly bright and response graph shows it is bright - bingo it is bright. Zeos says it is bright and response graph says it is neutral... well, now you have someone's subjective opinion vs an objective (if done properly) measurement. It might be that Zeos is sensitive to bright headphones, or prefers a warmer sound, or whatever. Flip side, as you said, the graph can't tell you what you are meant to hear.

For an amp though measurements can be very useful because one can measure things like voltage spikes etc. Max power output (vs claimed specs). Or if you want a purely neutral amp, either to match your neutral headphones or on the flip side because you don't want it to either compete with the headphones color or over-ehance the headphones color then measurements are better than someone's opinion that it sounds neutral. Likewise it can tell you if bass rolls off too early, etc.

My point is, I guess, if you find a reviewer whose tastes and preferences align perfectly with yours then 100%, but to me it is useful, if only as a comparison to the reviewer's opinion.
thanks for the link, but the Korg is usb powered, so i think its not going to have enough power to power a DT990 250ohm. or did you recommend that as a stand alone DAC?

at the moment i need a amp more than i need a DAC.
 
thanks for the link, but the Korg is usb powered, so i think its not going to have enough power to power a DT990 250ohm
My Sound Blaster E3 is also USB powered and it has plenty of power for my DT990s. Thatt said the output of the Korg does appear to be a little less than the E3 at 32 Ohm, but can't find any info on how much it can push at 250 Ohm (often it is at low impedance that the power is cut lower due to max power amperage, otherwise you could assume is is linear)
 
My Sound Blaster E3 is also USB powered and it has plenty of power for my DT990s. Thatt said the output of the Korg does appear to be a little less than the E3 at 32 Ohm, but can't find any info on how much it can push at 250 Ohm (often it is at low impedance that the power is cut lower due to max power amperage, otherwise you could assume is is linear)
my current amp can push my AKG 55ohm loud( they sound perfect) , but it cannot push the DT990 to the same loudness as my AKG on high gain.
 

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