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How is this allowed ??? Racist at the highest level ??,

Fuck Jan van Riebeeck and all others after him.
When Dias arrived here he could foresee this will become a place of wankers. He picked up his mobile, and told van Riebreek to come over. And then he peacefully, without giving it a fuck, roamed his way to India.
 
Maximums_Rickimus said:
Here we go again, wait let me prepare for this debate:
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Pfff revolver
Need the extended clips for religious fights dude
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realkingkam said:
My apologies for being rude. You are entitled to your

I do however have a few last questions for you:
1. Do you deny that white people are being segregated and discriminated against?

Yes I do . Majority of white south africa live in suburbs and are better off then majority of black south Africans (I have travelled to every province and have been to many dorpies the racial segregation of the past is more evident then the modern segregation you refer to) of which I do not see .

2. Do you deny that white people are being murdered because of the color of their skin?

Conspiracy theory murder is rife across all races across the country

3. Do you deny that certain politicians are behind the murder and segregation of white people?

Provide evidence to substantiate this claim

4. If your answer yes to either of these questions then please explain to me how it is any different to apartheid?

Sorry but non of the above mentioned is valid or arguable

I would really like to get your opinion on these questions.

I do differ with your opinion that I am unlearned in the history of South Africa. I have spent a lot of time doing research of our history and what people believe to be true is quite different to the truth. Unfortunately the ANC and unfortunately some white people (I am white myself), admittedly, do tend to spread untruths from time to time. Many occurrences that happened during apartheid should not have happened but unfortunately you are way off par with connecting apartheid to genocide. Apartheid never ordered the mass killing of black people. And I do not agree with apartheid at all but facts are facts. What did occur was instances such as the prison riots and if one were to study it closely you would become aware that the whole instance was a result of one trigger happy youngster who fired his gun out of fear. Furthermore many activists were killed during apartheid and were sentenced to prison which was not right but it was never genocide. Do you know that many of these activists also ordered the planting of bombs that killed innocent people during apartheid? Edit: The genocide that did occur was mostly caused by the IFP and ANC (perhaps you need some schooling in history). Please read this link and see that I am not denying that a lot of black people were killed unjustly by white people but more were killed among political differences in the townships itself. LINK.

Apartheid buried the murders and numerous atrocities committed
When peaceful protest fails . War prevails
And the IFP fought BECAUSE they felt they just wanted to work and remain suppressed as long as they get paid and they can provide for there families. The ANC refuted this ideology hense the fighting a direct result of apartheid.

I do however connect with the pain that the black people have suffered under apartheid. It was wrong and I can only begin to understand what it must have felt like. Unfortunately I must agree that I do not have first hand experience and therefore I dearly sympathies with the people who experienced apartheid and its gruesomeness first hand.

Why is it so hard to accept that the past has consequences that relate to the present. You are dealing with first generation descendents of those who suffered during apartheid and the rhetoric is already suck it up and move on . No . I won't accept that

I am thankful that you feel I am your brother as I also feel that you are my brother. I grew up in this country and so have you and we all live in its current circumstances. I would also join you in any constructive circumstance without hesitation.

Appreciated.

I beg you to reconsider your stance and open your eyes to what is going on. Undoubtedly you must have experienced oppression and racism at some stage in your life and therefore I appeal to your better judgement and ask you to sympathize with others who are experiencing the same oppression and racism now.

I do and if all in this discussion would like to start a group debating and discussing constructive ways to move forward with intent on escalating any ideas that may arise from said group I would gladly be on-board

Let us stand together against the true evil that haunts this country of ours? Unjust politicians and their actions. Let us not defend their actions and justify it for them. Let us create awareness and beg them to answer for their actions? Let us demand what was promised to all of us. Let us work together to create better communities. Let us work together to suss out those who inspire segregation and racism and destroy them. It is not tied to race, to culture or to religion but to individuals and we need to make it clear that such behavior is wrong and must be accounted for regardless of the color of your skin, religion or beliefs. I believe this much can be achieved as much as Mandela believed it.

Couldn't have said it better myself ... we have entered a new era and I am very optimistic regarding south Africa's future as long as we stand together
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You have your right to your opinion but let me state that it is your opinion and therefore not factual. I do not agree with you. I have provided facts that politicians are behind murders in my past comments, please have a look. Unfortunately I think we have reached an impass as I cannot argue with someone who chose to ignore factual information and replies without any substantial proof to back their claims. But in keeping things civil I do respect your right to your opinion. FYI the IFP murdered people because they could not come to consensus with the ANC it was essentially a race war between the Zulu's and the Xhosa's not because they wanted to remain under apartheid. That very idea would be contradictory to the fact that they created their own party.
 
People around the world are inherently tribal . It's part of our DNA. So it's less about race and more about identifying with your tribe.
We carved up the world into countries , our language is a powerful tribal influence, we follow sports teams vociferously and hang out with people of similar interests, backgrounds. etc.
Being tribal is ok and natural . It goes back to the beginning of mankind. That doesn't make you a racist . One tribe we are all part of is our South African tribe.
So we see life in a unique way to the many other tribes around the world.
in spite of all our challenges black and white, we have much in common . We all want a better life for ourselves and our families.

Yes our government is corrupt and incompetent at times but that is not exclusive to SA or our dark history.
In a 1000 years politicians will still be bickering over the same things.
There are many unfair things going on in this world. You can't fight them all otherwise you will be consumed with anger and bitterness.

The topic brought up as the basis of this thread is not actually the problem . It's the way it makes some people feel that is the problem.
It's the anger that causes conflict with others . There are many worse atrocities happening all over the world.
Whether you agree or disagree with the thread or the peoples views on the thread, its anger that ultimately undermines anything you say.

Take away the anger , the resentment, the ego and you will see that your fellow South African is very much like you and ultimately part of a tribe , your tribe !
 
Maximums_Rickimus said:
You have your right to your opinion but let me state that it is your opinion and therefore not factual. I do not agree with you. I have provided facts that politicians are behind murders in my past comments, please have a look. Unfortunately I think we have reached an impass as I cannot argue with someone who chose to ignore factual information and replies without any substantial proof to back their claims. But in keeping things civil I do respect your right to your opinion. FYI the IFP murdered people because they could not come to consensus with the ANC it was essentially a race war between the Zulu's and the Xhosa's not because they wanted to remain under apartheid. That very idea would be contradictory to the fact that they created their own party.
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I respect and appreciate the meaningful conversation regarding this topic from all of you . It's what makes us proudly South African .

I am sure our paths will cross some day till then god bless

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K, let's get the proper reply done now.

realkingkam said:
? That doesn't seem like an answer. Because it's pointless? I don't see how finding and implementing a better way is ever pointless.

The tail chasing and racial bashing is what this thread mainly consisted of before we turned constructive and that is what I was referring to . It has since taken a turn for the better and has become somewhat civil and constructive.
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Hmmm?
Actually the thread is slightly off-topic these days, it was slightly more on-topic before but sure. In fact for a while there it was definitely less civil than where you jumped in. If you go back you'll see there were quite a lot of race agnostic posts except for the race being discriminated against before you chimed in, in fact Interro was one of the first to mention other colours.

But whatever this is hardly important.

This is unless it requires the forming of about 10 dozen committees who all get paid handsomely for their time.

As is the problem with governments across the globe
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On that we can at least agree.

Hmmm? Methinks that government profiteering just has less disclosure requirements and is better censored.
I'd like to be proven wrong though, it would make me feel good to know that government isn't yet THAT greedy.

Other way around there is more accountability in government then there is in the private sector it just takes time
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There's more accountability? Hmm I seem to remember a former politician spending his days on the golf course after being convicted. That doesn't exactly seem like he suffered any sort of consequences. (and if you need to ask, his surname is essentially the title of a leader in some middle eastern countries).
And....not much else? Well maybe a little now but now enough yet to say it's going to be the general trend going forward.

That's because their government has failed them and not provided them with the required infrastructure to obtain them. We could be A LOT further along to fixing this WITHOUT any sort of racial policies.

Agreed !
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Yay, another commonality.
Seems to me it cancels some other things out but I'll just leave it at the common ground.

How can you say immigration doesn't play a role?
If a previously disadvantaged person has worked hard, come up through the system and attained a position of advantage and then decides to leave then according to statistics it never happened. In fact the statistics may have gotten worse without a single bit of racial prejudice occurring.

Take the general population and compare that to the immigration statistics.
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Immigration statistics don't tell me who a person was before they left so I don't see how that gets us any closer to an accurate figure.

Contrary to that if we shove in any old candidate because of BEE they may be out of their depth. Which may cost the company growth and therefore jobs. Rather get the qualified person in (whatever colour they may be) and grow the company which means more jobs and then we don't even need BEE because with economic growth uneployment shrinks and everyone gets jobs regardless of who they may be.

Agreed . But Merit and race is now compulsory due to the lack of commitment from the private sector in the early stages of post apartheid. Tough but what must I tell you the system we inherited was lopsided and needs reform even in today's day and age.
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It needs reform, not the popularity-swaying band-aid it's currently wearing and will likely continue wearing for what? 10 more years? 30? 60? 180? 400?

I would hope not because that means I'm biased which I may be anyways even if I try not to be so, but then I'd be really biased.
Also I may or may not have been able to attain a position of advantage in last 30 years and I may have moved on, quite possibly literally. (as in immigrated).

I'm well travelled in this country and the situation most people find themselves in would bring tears to your eyes.
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You mean like shacks with 200K Polos parked out front?

Are you including all of Africa?

No but you could
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No, thanks, that's a can of worms I have no interest in opening. I just wanted to make sure the lid was still on.

Also unless you mean the consequences are equally unjust treatment I don't see how the one has a different effect on our economic situation than the other?

The treatment is far from equally unjust .
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This is how it starts.

A slave has no access to infrastructure, someone deemed beneath those of another colour also has not access to that infrastructure. For the purposes of this discussion separating serves not purpose unless you want to promote anguish or guilt, neither of which is constructive.

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Eh, not the most important thing I said so please don't dwell on it. All I meant is that in terms of advancement both slavery and segregated discrimination basically have the same end result, that being lack of ability to advance. The only reason to separate them is for the purposes of promoting revenge/hatred or forcing a guilt trip.

Not by an eye for an eye practices. Not by a reversal of fortunes.

Redistribution of fortune is a fundamental belief I live for but that's a topic for another day .
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How socialist or communist of you. I'm beginning to see why our views are so different in some cases.
I believe in the constant creation of new fortunes thank you very much.
 
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realkingkam said:
The past is dead and buried. Those who still live in it and hate other races because of it are fools. People must rather focus on education and work experience.

The sooner white people learn to accept and apologise the past (in general) the sooner black people learn to accept and forgive ..

The get over it rhetoric will continue to garner the same response for years to come
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K so I want to apologise, what's next?

Is it a sincere verbal apology to some blue-light owner?
Is it a written letter of apology?
Do I need to phone someone up at the SABC for a nationally broadcasted apology?
Do I need to give someone 10 grand?
Or do I need to give someone half my shit?
Do I need to give someone all my shit?
Something else?

And what then?
Do I get a card that says something like
"This man has apologised
Kindly let him get the fuck on with his life"
That I can shove in the face of anyone who complains about my advantage? (which I may not have at that point anymore)

Do any future offspring get a card that says
"My daddy apolgised so leave me the fuck alone!" they can present to anyone bringing up the injustices of the past that they need to apologise for?


And let's say it did mean giving all my shit away. What then? What about the other million people that didn't get a crumb of that and still hate my guts?
And remember I'm now equally poor, equally out of a job and equally having to live on the streets, does that mean I now finally get equal rights?


It's not "get over it rhetoric" it's we need to move the fuck on or we will never get anywhere in fixing your current abominable situation "rhetoric".

So easy to give a response like "apologise the past" if your heart bleeds without ever thinking about what that could actually mean.
 
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Mast3rBlast3r said:
K, let's get the proper reply done now.


Hmmm?
Actually the thread is slightly off-topic these days, it was slightly more on-topic before but sure. In fact for a while there it was definitely less civil than where you jumped in. If you go back you'll see there were quite a lot of race agnostic posts except for the race being discriminated against before you chimed in, in fact Interro was one of the first to mention other colours.

But whatever this is hardly important.


On that we can at least agree.


There's more accountability? Hmm I seem to remember a former politician spending his days on the golf course after being convicted. That doesn't exactly seem like he suffered any sort of consequences. (and if you need to ask his surname is essentially the title of a leader in some middle eastern countries).
And....not much else? Well maybe a little now but now enough yet to say it's going to be the general trend going forward.


Yay, another commonality.
Seems to me it cancels some other things out but I'll just leave it at the common ground.


Immigration statistics don't tell me who a person was before they left so I don't see how that gets us an closer to an accurate figure.


It needs reform, not the popularity-swaying band-aid it's currently wearing and will likely continue wearing for what? 10 more years? 30? 60? 180? 400?


You mean like shacks with 200K Polos parked out front?


No, thanks, that's a can of worms I have no interest in opening. I just wanted to make sure the lid was still on.


This is how it starts.


Eh, not the most important thing I said so please don't dwell on it. All I meant is that in terms of advancement both slavery and segregated discrimination basically have the same end result, that being lack of ability to advance. The only reason to separate them is for the purposes of promoting revenge/hatred or forcing a guilt trip.


How socialist or communist of you. I'm beginning to see why our views are so different in some cases.
I believe in the constant creation of new fortunes thank you very much.
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It has been a pleasure master blaster. All the best to you :) I'm going back to hunting for bargains on this great forum ... maybe one day we crack a beer and conclude this intriguing debate.

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realkingkam said:
I respect and appreciate the meaningful conversation regarding this topic from all of you . It's what makes us proudly South African .

I am sure our paths will cross some day till then god bless

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A screenshot is not a credible source by itself.
 
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Mast3rBlast3r said:
K so I want to apologise, what's next?

Is it a sincere verbal apology to some blue-light owner?
Is it a written letter of apology?
Do I need to phone someone up at the SABC for a nationally broadcasted apology?
Do I need to give someone 10 grand?
Or do I need to give someone half my shit?
Do I need to give someone all my shit?
Something else?

And what then?
Do I get a card that says something like
"This man has apologised
Kindly let him get the fuck on with his life"
That I can shove in the face of anyone who complains about my advantage? (which I may not have at that point anymore)

Do any future offspring get a card that says
"My daddy apolgised so leave me the fuck alone!" they can present to anyone bringing up the injustices of the past that they need to apologise for?


And let's say it did mean giving all my shit away. What then? What about the other million people who didn't get a crumb of that and still hate my guts?
And remember I'm now equally poor, equally out of a job and equally having to live on the streets, does that mean I now finally get equal rights?


It's not "get over it rhetoric" it's we need to move the fuck on or we will never get anywhere in fixing your current abominable situation "rhetoric".

So easy to give a response like "apologise the past" if you heart bleeds without ever thinking about what that could actually mean.
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Lol ooooo that one struck a nerve hahahaha

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realkingkam said:
Lol ooooo that one struck a nerve hahahaha

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No. It's a genuine set of questions. (if somewhat crudely phrased)
Answers every single person of advantage needs. Whether they agree or can fulfil them is a different matter but clearly defined requirements would be fantastic.
 
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realkingkam said:
It has been a pleasure master blaster. All the best to you :) I'm going back to hunting for bargains on this great forum ... maybe one day we crack a beer and conclude this intriguing debate.

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Poor show man, poor show. Remember to come back once you're waiting for shipping.

Necromancy is allowed, that is afterall what is happening to apartheid. :p
 
realkingkam said:
I respect and appreciate the meaningful conversation regarding this topic from all of you . It's what makes us proudly South African .

I am sure our paths will cross some day till then god bless

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First of all you took a screenshot of a page my friend, that is not a credible source? Where is the link?
Second of all, did you actually go on to read the rest of the article? Perhaps this is why you sent a screenshot instead of linking the whole article, you are hiding the truth.
Thirdly the extract you did post a screenshot of says and I qoute "Buthulezi came to be regarded more and more as a government puppet." this does not say he was a government puppet, it says he was regarded so. Do you know how many lies the ANC spread about the IFP and the IFP about the ANC during this time? I highly doubt it. Yes the IFP did have support from the government, the very same government who also sat down with the ANC, supported them and eventually handed the power over to them.
Lastly, I fear the worst for you my brother. I fear you have been brainwashed by a corrupt government and system. Unfortunately you have chosen to believe the lies that the ANC has spread, the biggest one being that the distribution of wealth would be fair and economically viable, which is, dare I say, a joke.
But peace be upon you too and may your journey wherever you go be fruitful my brother. I hope that someday you may see the light and recognise the lies of the government for what they are.
 
That Star of David keycap is 10/10. Think it's time to get an RGB keyboard...
 
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You guys are fucking retarded. Why are you attacking each other instead of standing by each other and taking on the government. You guys are causing an unnecessary shit. Obviously this is not right everyone should have the right to get the same job if your white, blue, pink or even fucking magenta.

We are a community we need to stand by each other not rip each other apart.
 
Terabyte said:
You guys are fucking retarded. Why are you attacking each other instead of standing by each other and taking on the government. You guys are causing an unnecessary shit. Obviously this is not right everyone should have the right to get the same job if your white, blue, pink or even fucking magenta.

We are a community we need to stand by each other not rip each other apart.
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That is true but the problem here js some people think what is being done is 100% correct and that is the problem.

Once we can all come to a common goal most people will not come together :/ (not just the forum but the world)

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I wonder what we could come up with if we use the time and energy spent on this thread.
I bet a cure for cancer or something. oh its page 22 already :oops: see you guys again on 33 :ROFLMAO:
 
Terabyte said:
You guys are fucking retarded. Why are you attacking each other instead of standing by each other and taking on the government. You guys are causing an unnecessary shit. Obviously this is not right everyone should have the right to get the same job if your white, blue, pink or even fucking magenta.

We are a community we need to stand by each other not rip each other apart.
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Do you have a brother called Gigabyte?
 
Maximums_Rickimus said:
Hey, Cyst. Still think this thread won't make a difference?
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lol, says you on page what? 21?
The original comment was about the first 10 pages.

Anyways, that was two pages and a whole day ago.
Ma'am, give me protection from this thread, please.
 
pXius said:
If anything, this thread is a good representation of how divided this country is.
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Unfortunately true. I cannot see it getting better soon.
One day this week I was at a workshop. I could not believe I had to click a block (What Race) How inappropriate. If my employer felt the need that I must go to this workshop, what does the color of my skin matters?
I just am so glad that when I buy something from someone on this forum that I do not even know the race of the person before I commit to buy. And that does not matter, only itraders and price matters.
But in the real world.... Apartheid was wrong, but us whites will pay for this for the next 300 years still.
Affirmative action has run its course. Its time that it is stopped. It IS racist. How can it not be. Yes some see it as a tool to correct the past. And it is, but it is racist as others are excluded just because of their race.
 
Cyst said:
lol, says you on page what? 21?
The original comment was about the first 10 pages.

Anyways, that was two pages and a whole day ago.
Ma'am, give me protection from this thread, please.
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Lol, call me idealistic but one difference my friend, that's all that is needed for people to realize that despite our differences we can all stand together against injustice and make a difference. I'm an undying believer of that and I am determined to prove you wrong.
 
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