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    Re: Star Wars: The Disney Era (INCLUDES SPOILERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottulusMaximus View Post
    - Wasn't CGI, they used the original puppet
    - You still have momentum in space, the physics holds up
    - Ren pulled off, the wing man fired, this was the "maybe he can be saved" moment

    As for the rest of the ranting, it seems people just didn't get it because they weren't spoon fed. It doesn't matter about where Snoke came from or how powerful he was, the story is about Kylo and Rey. And people are forgetting we knew absolutely nothing about the Emperor before the prequels, I don't think his name is even mentioned in the first trilogy.

    Look it wasn't perfect, I still think Luke dying was a massive mistake, could've worked if we had Leia in the next film but now it's a bit of a void. But the angst and wailing is getting a bit tedious now. It's a bit like being a racist, "I'm not racist but..." "I didn't HATE TLJ but..."
    Momentum which is affected by mass not weight (in vacuum), and the larger ship doesn't share the same propulsion as the smaller one, it's much more powerful. If there's any validity in that argument at all, it still makes for a weak plot. There are a million things they could have used to create a similar scene with a much more believable reason.

    With regards to the Ren scene, you're right, but it feels exactly like the Finn intervention. Taking away from the impact that could have gone along with it. He just doesn't feel like a villain to me.


    With Luke dead, do you think we'll see a ghost Luke?

    You're right, it's not CGI, but it's not the original puppet either. It's a replica of the original puppet with the original voice actor.
    I still think he looked like a gremlin, and nothing like the original.

    Sure it's nitpicking, but it takes away from immersion and the experience as a whole.

    Old Yoda shot, can't find a new one from the Last Jedi scene, if someone can, that would be great.



    That all aside, I think you're comparison to racism is just.... yea. You yourself said "it's not perfect". A person can like and dislike aspects of the same movie, book or story, it's not a freakin human being. The thread just highlights the negative. Rotten Tomatoes still scores it 92%, so the critics believe it was good. It's all just opinions, this thread included, about a fictional story.

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    Re: Star Wars: The Disney Era (INCLUDES SPOILERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by pXius View Post
    Rotten Tomatoes still scores it 92%, so the critics believe it was good. It's all just opinions, this thread included, about a fictional story.
    CRITICS. Paid reviewers. Its audience that counts. 53% and dropping.

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    Re: Star Wars: The Disney Era (INCLUDES SPOILERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!)

    Have a laugh

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    Re: Star Wars: The Disney Era (INCLUDES SPOILERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!)

    I think it speaks volumes that Mark Hamill hates the way Luke is portrayed in TLJ

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    Re: Star Wars: The Disney Era (INCLUDES SPOILERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottulusMaximus View Post
    What information about him? Take the book and the movie as standalone and ignore all the crap, there is no info on Snoke whatsoever... He died because he overestimated his skills of persuasion/manipulation and Kylo tricked him by using his own game. Like every bad guy dies in every movie, ever. And what different direction? Snoke was portrayed as a master manipulator and leader in the first movie, the same in the second, nowhere is he an all powerful Sith Lord.

    Leia will not be in the 3rd film, klaar.

    This movie WAS different than other SW movies, simply because it was a lot more nuanced, Rian Johnson is famous for this, Looper a case in point. And is why a large majority of people simply didn't get it.



    Again, nuanced. The bad guy isn't just a bad guy, he has motivations, he has a story that led him here, you can see WHY he acts like this. Story telling has thankfully moved on from the 70's and the "bad guy" isn't just there to be defeated. Also Kylo had the strongest character growth of anyone in this movie so I don't understand how you feel he went "nowhere".
    Did we watch the same movie?

    Sorry mate, but you're defending the indefensible...

    Star Wars has 40 years of heritage and lore, a well crafted original trilogy, with a trilogy of prequels that flesh out the entire back story and motivations... not to mention the spin offs in terms of series and games.. The Force Awakens did a pretty decent job of incorporating lore with a new story and characters, and most importantly created intrigue by raising questions as to the origins of Snoke and Rey.

    Only for Rian Johnson to come along and piss all over it with lazy, contrived story-writing and second rate directing.

    You contradict yourself... if Kylo Ren has such a hot back story and motivations, why wasn't the same done with Snoke? The Sith lord that popped out of absolutely nowhere, and managed to establish the First Order + turn Kylo Ren? No, he simply became a cheap plot mechanism (the quintessential "bad-guy to be defeated", way worse than Vader or The Emperor), in what is essentially a twisted rehash of the ROTJ finale.

    Nuanced, you say? Rubbish. The only not-so-subtle nuance thrust in our faces throughout the movie is the whole shades of gray undertone between forces of good and evil, which just had to be politicized as well to really stick it to the audience... That's it.

    Luke as an embittered old man shying away from The Force? Please... that's the biggest imaginable slap in the face to the Original Trilogy... Nuanced, you say?? No... rubbish writing that disregards his entire story arc.

    I could go on, but frankly: The myriad of inconsistencies, glib character development, gaping plot holes, cheap writing, and the over-dependence of the "nick of time" suspense mechanism, manages to undo everything that made Star Wars great to begin with...

    Rian Johnson must have been off his Ritalin when he did this movie... like a 5-year-old's idea of baking a cake - he got completely wrapped up in decorating it with icing and candy and sprinkles and glitter and chocolate chips, and "making it his own unique creation", that he eventually churned out a gooey mess, with no cake inside.
    Don’t attribute to malice, that which is adequately explained by stupidity...

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    Re: Star Wars: The Disney Era (INCLUDES SPOILERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!)

    Ben Shapiro does an amazing job of highlighting every problem the audience has. He also highlights all the continuity errors and Disney's bullshit force powers.
    Highly suggest watching.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-t4bU3-lHA

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    Re: Star Wars: The Disney Era (INCLUDES SPOILERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!)

    I went to see it again yesterday.

    The "humor" irritated me more this time.. (like Po against first order general joke" , come one, this is a serious villain.

    Other than that I now know the boy at the end with his ring was from the casino/beast scene, I missed that first time.
    I also still wonder if they had the wrong codebreaker and the guy with the lapel was the one they needed or was trusted.

    At least I am fully done with this one now. Its at 52% at rotten tomatoes now, I hope it drops to 49% as it really doesn't deserve any better than that.

    Am I the only one that feels that Fins Karater as the first "black force sensitive one" is portrayed more as a clown and a desserter in this movie. he is more a joke than anything else which shows it was just a, "o we need a black guy and a women jedi in it else we are not politically correct" To top it all of let him kiss with a chinese for some good interracial vibes. What is next a gay jedi?

    This was a sad episode. So much more could have been done to deepen the story yet as @BillyBob illustrated perfectly, this was indeed a misbaked childrens cake with to much icing and glitter.
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    Re: Star Wars: The Disney Era (INCLUDES SPOILERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE!!!)

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutchdog View Post
    What is next a gay jedi?
    Yes, with his Light-"zaber".

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    There is no need to introduce new karakters. A sequal can have so much more to reintroduce old karakters. This movie just killed all the old ones of. There are so many karakters that can be brought back to life from the older movies or expanded on as side stories. Remember all those alien jedi's http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Petranaki_arena

    Also, to bring out a "Han Solo" movie next year after he is killed of in the previous movie I find a bit of a milking the franchise act. Lets make as many movies with the old karakters as we can.
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